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NH 853 baler not kicking out bales


 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:38 am    Post subject: NH 853 baler not kicking out bales Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Please help.I know most will say never buy a chain baler but
I only bale about 100 per year and I will be quitting in about 5 years so I cant justify spending 40k.
Anyway I found this 853 and it hasn't been repainted but looks very good so I bought it for less than 3k.It has bale monitor and everything works good except bale doesn't come out sometimes.When it does it is a struggle.Usually have to pry it out.Was running 30 PSI airbags went to 50 and it is better but they wont last running that high.When opening gate pressure guage does to 120.Have to make full size bale or it will never come out.Tried sanding and oiling bale chamber and that didn't help.Tried running different speeds and PTO speeds.Makes no difference.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:39 pm    Post subject: Re: NH 853 baler not kicking out bales Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Does it a kicker on the back? When I had the NH 847 the bale wouldn't go out on the kicker bar far enough to kick out the bale I took the bar/pipe off.On the 851 with no kicker sometimes I have to jog the bottom chains with the gate open to make them roll out.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: NH 853 baler not kicking out bales Reply to specific post Reply with quote

[quote="CVPost-Traditional Farmer"](reply to post at 14:39:23 10/08/19) [/quote]
I have 2 851 balers and it seemed that at the end of the day i had to kick bale out by turning on PTO and floor chains kicked it out.
But the 853 doesnt have floor chains.It does have a bar on the back but i think the way it is supposed to work is it has a bar in the chamber that comes up when i open the gate maybe by spring tension on bar or something like that.I dont know what the purpose of the bar on the outside in back of chamber is.Seems like it would be just to slow the bale down so it doesnt roll to far.If that is how it works then it would make sense to take that off then the bale would come out easier?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: NH 853 baler not kicking out bales Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have an 855,no bale monitor, hydraulic tie. I'm thinking your 853 is a smaller version, things should work the same.

Are your chains reversing when you open the tailgate? There's 2 belts on the drive, the large baling belt and a smaller reversing belt. Controlled by cables from the
tailgate to idler pulleys. Had to fiddle with the adjustments on mine a few times over the years. Should start reversing when the gate is about 3/4 open so the chains
can grab the bale to roll it out

If I'm remembering right, air pressure is 40 psi minimum (all this is based on my 855), 60 psi maximum with the gate closed and no bale. Pressure will climb as you're
making a bale, drop when you start to open the gate, and climb again as the gate opens. I run mine at 50-55 psi.

Are you making full size bales? Mine doesn't like to kick out a bale much under half size. (Oops, just saw your full size bale statement)

Are the bales loose/sloppy? Chains would have a hard time grabbing and rolling them out. Have you checked the chain adjustment?

The bale kicker on mine only had one pipe at the back of the arms when I bought it. Sometimes bales (especially if not full sized) would drop into the gap on the
kicker.There was a second set of holes halfway up the arms, bought an appropriate sized piece of PVC pipe (3"?) to put in the second set of holes, been working fine.

Good Luck

Fred
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:51 am    Post subject: Re: NH 853 baler not kicking out bales Reply to specific post Reply with quote

[quote="berkbig2100"](reply to post at 10:38:29 10/08/19) [/quote]

Thanks so much tractor guru and Fred.It is frustrating because the dealers don't know anything about these older balers or just want to sell a 50k baker.
I think we are getting close.
Chains are reversing but they just seem to slide right over the bale putting zero pressure on it.
Bales are not loose at all.
Don't know how to adjust and which chain.
It has both factory pipes on kicker.
Saw several advertised that has them removed.
I don't understand that because isn't the purpose of the kicker to help get them out?Or is it just so you don't have to back up?It doesn't bother me if I have to backup just don't want to pry the bale out.
The bale comes out about 4 to 6 inches and just stops.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:39 pm    Post subject: Re: NH 853 baler not kicking out bales Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'd say if it comes out part way and stops its the kicker that is causing the problem.You should be able to loosen the tension on the kicker arms that will allow the bale to
push the kicker arms down some when it rolls out of the chamber then when its compressed kick the bale back some.I'd just take the pipes off of the kicker and try it like that to start with to see how that works(or not).
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:41 pm    Post subject: Re: NH 853 baler not kicking out bales Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Pic of the chain adjustment...remember, this is for an 855, but I'm pretty sure they'll be
the same.

The idea of the kicker is to keep the bale from rolling back towards the baler when
closing the tailgate





 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: NH 853 baler not kicking out bales Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Another thought..on my 855 there are cams on both sides that the chain runs on until the bale gets big enough.

The expanding bale then shoves these cams back flush with the side wall. When the tailgate opens, there's a cable that flops them back down in alignment with the chain.

The back side of those cams is behind the twine boxes. Great place for chaff to build up, may not be letting the cams get out of the way as the bale fills...which would tend to hold the bale in the chamber.

Pretty poor pic, the cams inside the baler with the chain riding on them.
We'll get this figured out eventually

Fred

 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: NH 853 baler not kicking out bales Reply to specific post Reply with quote

[quote="CVPost-fred werring"](reply to post at 14:41:37 10/09/19) [/quote]

Thanks again to both of you.It should be self explanitory that a kicker should kick the bale away but i just wasnt sure.So i think i will check the chain adjustment but take the pipe off since that is an easy try.Wasnt planning to make any more hay this year but i might.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: NH 853 baler not kicking out bales Reply to specific post Reply with quote

[quote="CVPost-Fred Werring"](reply to post at 17:47:14 10/09/19) [/quote]

I will check the cams too.But if chaff is building up there and causing the problem how would you fix that?I feel like since the bale comes out a few inches then stops that the kicker is part of the problem but it is pretty hard to pry the bale out so that is my biggest concern now.Does the momentem get the bale out even if its tight?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: NH 853 baler not kicking out bales Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Chaff doesn't build up back there that fast.

I roll 250ish bales/year, and use a leaf blower to clean it out a couple times a year...when I get done with first cutting, and before it gets put away for the winter.

I was thinking since you had just bought the baler, chaff may be packed in there if the previous owner didn't know to blow it out.

Fred
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:34 am    Post subject: Re: NH 853 baler not kicking out bales Reply to specific post Reply with quote

[quote="CVPost-fred werring"](reply to post at 21:13:18 10/09/19) [/quote]

The baler was pretty clean but Im not sure how close i looked in that area.I think it is normal but do you think the bale being that tight in the chamber is normal?I dont know if it matters but my windrows are about 4 ft wide so i dont bother weaving.My thinking was that maybe the bale wouldnt be filled on the outside as much and it would come out better but it doesnt seem to matter.I quit weaving with my 851 balers and that seemed to work the same as if i didnt weave.Bales still looked the same not to barrel shaped
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:00 am    Post subject: Re: NH 853 baler not kicking out bales Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have a 853 parts baler that is almost complete was looking at it yesterday and a couple things I noticed the kicker has 2 bars on it so if a bale wasn't pretty heavy it may not push the kicker down and also the higher the hitch is run the better angle it would be to get the bale to roll out of the chamber.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:37 am    Post subject: Re: NH 853 baler not kicking out bales Reply to specific post Reply with quote

[quote="CVPost-Traditional Farmer"](reply to post at 06:00:07 10/11/19) [/quote]
That's a good point guru.
I have it hooked up to the fixed drawbar like I always did with the 851's.i could use a drawbar on the 3pt but that might interfere with the PTO if its much higher.But maybe just a little is all it needs.Thanks again to both of you.I will keep all these things on mind.Weather turning bad now doubt if I bale anymore this year.Still wish I knew if bale should be tight in chamber
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:02 pm    Post subject: Re: NH 853 baler not kicking out bales Reply to specific post Reply with quote

One thing to check on those balers is when they
went to the larger apron tubes they went from to
smaller bolts holding the tube to one 3/8 bolt in
each end of the tube well they have a tendency to
work loose which cuts the head of the bolt off then
tube comes out and if you lucky like I was it turned
that apron chain it to a double pretzel 🥨 that took
two days to cut apart and untangle not to mention
the tube that got launched through the air and
landed 50 feet in front of the tractor if that would
have hit me in the back of the head it probably
would have Literally knocked my block off
 
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