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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:18 pm    Post subject: Five position light switch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Does anyone have the operating instructions handy for a 5 position light switch used on an English 5000? The owners manual that I have only shows the push-pull switch. I'm trying to get an idea of what each of the 5 positions do. I have a student trying to get all of the lights working for me on our donated 5000, and he is a little puzzled as to all of the various positions. So am I.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Five position light switch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

According to the wiring diagram for the A and B prefix thousand series (unfortunately the terminals aren't numbered), one terminal has a brown wire coming from the hot terminal of the key switch through a 5 amp in-line fuse so it is hot all of the time, and that terminal has a second brown wire that goes to the rear implement light, which has its own switch in the lamp housing. Going clockwise from there (in the schematic at least):

Next terminal has a red wire with a white stripe going to instrument panel illumination bulbs, and if it has an S-O-S transmission it also has a red wire going to the speed selector illumination bulb.

Next terminal has a blue wire with a white stripe going to the high beam side of the headlights.

Next terminal has a blue wire with a red stripe going to the low beam side of the headlights.

Last terminal has a red wire that goes to the tail and side marker lights.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Five position light switch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Missed a split in the wire from that last terminal, It also goes to the license plate illumination bulbs.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Five position light switch Reply to specific post Reply with quote


It's been a long time since I wired mine and it's the four position switch but here's how it should work
postion 1 = off
position 2 = instrument panel lights
position 3 = side and rear tail lamps
position 4 = low beam head lamps
position 5 = high beam head lamps

Wires in you photo
13 = red = switch to side and rear tail lamps
14 = blue/red = switch to low beam
15 = blue/white = switch to high beam
16 = red/white = switch to instrument panel lamps
28 = brown = power from fuse to switch
the rear work lamp and warning flashers are connected to the brown power wire at the switch, each light has it's own switch

I did a little creative wiring on mine and ran extra wires to the rear.
On the road I switch to low beam which also turns on the flashers.
In the field I switch to high beam which also turns on the rear work lamps.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Five position light switch Reply to specific post Reply with quote


My manual calls for a 15 amp fuse, don't think a 5 amp will operate very many lights.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Five position light switch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

What's the first letter in the S/N? I have a breakdown in my service manual I can send to you.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Five position light switch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

"B". What I was really hoping for was an image from an owner's manual that shows the 5 positions and what functions they serve. I didn't find that in my scan of the service manual.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Five position light switch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks Destroked! I'll share that info with my student. It should help a lot.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Five position light switch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don't think it's safe to say that going clockwise in the schematic is comparable to going clockwise on the
key switch. Hopefully someone will come up with something from an owner's manual that will confirm.

The switch appears to be original, and it has terminals numbered 1-7. I wish they would have linked that in
the service manual.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Five position light switch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My 5000 operators manual describes a push-pull switch. My 8000 manual describes a three position rotary switch. I tried to raise Brian from the UK a couple months ago but no reply so he probably isn't available to help.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Five position light switch Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Looked back in my 89 parts book and found two switches for A-B suffix models
C7NN-11654-B for UK models
E7NN-11654-AA for Europe models
But no reference as to which is 4 or 5 position.
Modern search crosses them all to E7NN-11654-AA which I believe is a 4 position switch.
With E7NN being a 1987 design date I looked in my 10 series manuals and found this.

Since I don't have side or rear tail lights the only thing that comes on in position 2 on mine is the dash lights but it looks like I got the other 3 positions wrong.
No reference if the dash lights stay on in position 5

I think if one positioned the switch with the flat in the mounting threads clock the same as when installed the wiring post may line up like in the photo, once you find the hot post the rest can be ohm'd out.

Note in the photo the reference to -600 series tractors, maybe someone has one of those operators manuals.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Five position light switch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I think that picture you found is as good as it's going to get. I have no reason to believe that a 5000
would be any different. I just never thought to look for something like that in a service manual. That kind
of info rightly belongs in the owners manual.

Thank you Destroked for all of the work you put into this. I really do appreciate it.
 
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