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Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:17 am    Post subject: Re: Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon Reply to specific post Reply with quote

have always done it since early years, you just had to learn or carry bales long ways. I would lots of times get hired by neighbors during square baling season to help hay, I was always the wagon backer for the barns. even today get calls from friend who are moving or whatever can you come help, I say why you got plenty help , simple answer was we need someone who can back a trailer. was easy for me brother well that was another story. I just could do it never gave it any thought. wish some other things came that easy for me.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I can back a wagon up ! I believe the whole secret is speed. You need to shift to low range, throttle down and back as slowly as you can. This gives you time to watch, assess and correct steering as you back , slowly , surely. Know when to stop and pull ahead to correct angles . I never had a load of hay I couldn't get in , but loaded wagons are a lot harder because you can't see and it means getting off the tractor several times to assess.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:35 am    Post subject: Re: Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Learned to do it when I was young, Dad passed when I was 11, one of my jobs was to go to the elevator to get feed ground. Trying to back up to the dock was a night mare all the old men just stood there and laughed, so I spent the rest of the week learning to back the wagon, my 2nd trip was a different story, every body was watching and I put the wagon in place with no change of direction I did get applause from them for that. never hooked to the front of the tractor until a few years ago, at 73 my body does not twist well. Tractor I learned with was a 1946 Ford 2N, still have it today.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-wvfarmboy wrote:
(quoted from post at 08:47:36 11/08/19) did any of you men ever back a hay rake with dollie wheels? backing a wagon is one thing but a rake is anouther thing.


I assume you're talking about the old style rakes with the two small caster wheels in back? Those work the same as backing a two wheel trailer. Not usually that difficult.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You did that backing very well as I was an eye witness! But try those trams that Farmamerica has. They keep you busier that a normal 4 wheel wagon. That may be due to their longer wheelbase but some one here commented that a longer wheelbase makes it easier.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Based on the large angle of the tractor to the wagon, I think it's a "backing in" situation.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don"t have any trouble backing 2 or 4 wheel wagons. Had 4 wheel forage boxes hooked behind the chopper, opening a hay field, always went to the corner and backed up, then made the turn. Same with a baler and thrower wagon. Countless times I hooked 2-3 loaded wagons behind the chopper or baler. 14 yo son won a competition at the county fair...he had been backing a couple of years. Impressed a neighbor at 12yo- backed a gravity box of shelled corn up to a portable dryer- first time he tried that. When daughter was in Army, she taught soldiers how to back two wheel trailers at Camp Mackall, near Ft. Bragg, while on SF training missions.That had to go over well with the guys.

The secret to easy backing is to take it slow and always watch the trailer tongue, never letting it get too far out of alignment. That can e tricky when the chopper hitch is offset from the centerline.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I push the 4 wheel forage wagons in on the threshing floor of the barn with the front hitch on my Case 930.

Like many farm kids, backing 4 wheel flat rack hay wagons, was just something I was expected to learn to do. When backing a wagon it is very important to have a easy to steer tractor. , and don?t think a whole lot about where the tractor is going, just focus on where you want the back of the wagon to go. Then follow the wagon.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Up till 95 I helped put everything in a shed. 5 hay racks, three chopper wagons and multiple gravity,barge and flare wagons.Could put a 16 foot chopper wagon almost to the back of a 40 x 60 building with a 400 Farmall with a wide front and manual steering in one try. Worst tractor was the 1466 at idle, best were the smaller row crops. Probably the favorite was the 230 Farmall. Now I get to watch unless I help a local and that is not often so I have lost practice.We put everything away at the end of the day including the tractors.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon Reply to specific post Reply with quote

One of my cousins have won many awards for backing them but that was also when he was say 12-18 years old
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:29 am    Post subject: Re: Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I can do it but with the handicap of having no power steering, a hand clutch and a neck too old to turn far enough it is a challenge. I used to work with a guy who claimed his father would back two wagons hooked together around a corner into a parking spot. I would like to see that done.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:55 am    Post subject: Re: Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Most of the older people who grew up on smaller farms can do it well.A narrow front tractor helps alot.You need to take your time.The more you do it the more you will hone the skill.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:01 am    Post subject: Re: Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Did it many times 50-60 years ago but would probably have problems today..
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:22 am    Post subject: Re: Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Done it hundreds if not thousands of times, hadtough go of it this morning with a small gravity wagon with short wheel base hooked to a 4wd tractor backing around a couple bends, was some cussing involved! Backed my fair share of wagons with a tractor and chopper or picker, that is tough, the more loose the running gear and short wheel base the tougher!
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:53 am    Post subject: Re: Honestly how many people can back a 4 wheel wagon Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've done lots but not for awhile. We used to harvest corn with a New Idea picker/sheller into 200 bushel wagons. The wagons had to be put together in pairs to go to the elevator. The rear wagon would have enough weight on the steering axle that I learned early on to back the front one to it centered.
 
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