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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:42 pm    Post subject: Hydraulic oil Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Is the transmission, rear end, and hydraulic system all the same oil in my 1952 8N? Filled near gear shift
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Hydraulic oil Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes, one common sump. It holds approximately 5 gallons.
It is checked with the dipstick near your right heel when seated.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Hydraulic oil Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-oneofeach wrote:
(quoted from post at 03:42:42 12/02/19) Is the transmission, rear end, and hydraulic system all the same oil in my 1952 8N? Filled near gear shift

Yes it is. On the left side cover take the bottom bolt out. When oil comes out the transmission is full.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Hydraulic oil Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes.
Next question - "What should I use?"
I use universal tractor fluid (UTF) that meets Ford spec M2C-134d. This works well in the winter and summer. If your hydraulics have leaks, this will leak faster than the other alternatives, such as SAE 90 GL-1 gear oil. However, the gear oil will make your hydraulics slower in the winter (if it gets cold in your area) until the oil warms up.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Hydraulic oil Reply to specific post Reply with quote

In addition to what everyone else said...?

Do not dump all 5 gallons in it at the same time.

Put 4.5 or so in it, wait an hour or two for it to slowly find it's way back to the differential and dipstick.

If your pump base is full of sludge, 5 gallons of fluid will overfill the sump and immerse your old, dried out wheel seals in oil. Which then will leak on to your brakes.

Better underfilled than over filled.

See tips 3 & 4.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Hydraulic oil Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I just bought 5 gal. of Lube King Premium UTF for $44.99 . It is Ford 134 compatible. The last jug of 90wt. Mineral Oil was about $65 so this time i went with the UTF




 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Hydraulic oil Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Add the 4++ gal of UTF Slowly! ! The port between trans & Dif is small, so to keep the proper amount of oil in the trans as the 3 pt is used when moving.
There is a breather hole between the trans & clutch housing. Filling too fast won't hurt the clutch, & will drain out the weep hole, but that oil will only be a future dirt magnet.

That weep hole has the loop end of a Carter pin showing so that vibration/ movement will help to keep it open.
When I asked why that was there during my first oil change I was told...

"Don't ever pull that out...That what holds it all together!"
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:10 am    Post subject: Re: Hydraulic oil Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Get out your OEM Essential Manuals as the info is in there.

FORD TRACTOR HYDRAULIC OIL -
NEW HOLLAND/FORD MC-134D HYDRAULIC OIL ?NO LONGER AVAILABLE:



NAPA API SAE-90 GL-1:



TSC TRAVELLER BRAND:



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Hydraulic oil Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Ambra Multi G 134

EXCEEDS OR MEETS THE FOLLOWING PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS:
SAE 10W-30 API GL-4 MAT 3525
Ford M2C 134D Ford M2C 86B Allison C-4
Cat TO-2 MF 1135 MF 1141 MF 1143
NH 410 B
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:20 am    Post subject: Re: Hydraulic oil Reply to specific post Reply with quote

HiYa Jim-

CNH no longer makes and sells the Ambra Ford 134 oil. They only supply the modern stuff made for their newer NH Boomer Models. CNH figured it was time to obsolete the
old Ford parts and models so if they do stock anything, it is not cheap. I still get the N-Series front mount distributor points, p/n 87744524, from them -one of the
better brands, Made In The USA, with the phenolic rubbing block AND able to set the points with. $16 -average for comparable brands like Blue Streak and ECHLIN. The
last time I bought a 2.5 GAL jug of AMBRA oil it was $60 and that was several years ago. I buy in bulk now with teh NAPA GL-1 SAE-90 oil.

NAPA API GL-1 SAE-90 GEAR OIL:



Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:25 am    Post subject: Re: Hydraulic oil Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I really like the cold weather performance of the UTF here in VA; I'm surprised that you use 90w in MI.

TSC UTF works better for me in VA than the NAPA gear oil.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:57 am    Post subject: Re: Hydraulic oil Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Tim PloughNman Dal wrote:
(quoted from post at 06:20:31 12/03/19) HiYa Jim-

CNH no longer makes and sells the Ambra Ford 134 oil. They only supply the modern stuff made for their newer NH Boomer Models.


The CNH Ambra MultiG product that Jim linked to at Messicks is the same fluid previously sold as psold Ford 134. It is in stock and ready for pickup. It is nothing more than an OEM branded UTF and in this case MultG is made for CNH by Viscosity Oil Company which makes many of the other CNH branded fluids. They have been supplying this particular UTF formulation to CNH for the last 20 years or so. Like all OEM branded UTFs it is pricey - Messicks wants $85 for a 5 gallon pail of MultiG. The generic TSC house brand is less than half of that.

Ford never recommended a GL1 gear oil. Their original recommendation was mild EP gear oil (which today would by API GL3/4 service class) in grades SAE 80 and 90. That was soon superceded by Ford M2C134 which was Fords designation for what is available today as any of a host of industry standard UTFs. Characteristic physical properties of this class of lubricant are viscosity of roughly 9.6 cSt@100C, Viscosity Index greater than 140, and API GL4 service performance.

FORD M2C134, Case 410B, Kubota UDT, JD J20C, and IH Hytran are all essentially equivalent specifications from the same time period and will perform interchsngeably in an N-series tractor as will the much less expensive generic formulations such as the ubiquitous Traveller Premium UTF.

TOH
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: Hydraulic oil Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Can absolutely confirm the Traveller brand ?for Ford tractors? GL-1 stuff absolutely makes the lift a *lot* slower at startup in cold weather. Also makes
starting the tractor with the clutch in (which I do anyway) and PTO off absolutely mandatory, as otherwise she stalls for the first 30 seconds or so.
However, my tractor leaks when warm with UTF in it from about four spots, and doesn?t leak at all with the Traveller, so it?s a sacrifice I can make here
in relatively mild Maryland. A side benefit is the thicker fluid made my shifter feel bit smoother.

It takes about 15 minutes with the PTO on to warm the hydraulics up enough to operate at normal speed on cold days, but since the tractor appreciates
a few minute warmup anyway, it really isn?t a big deal for me.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Hydraulic oil Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Bruce (VA) wrote:
(quoted from post at 08:25:49 12/03/19) I really like the cold weather performance of the UTF here in VA; I'm surprised that you use 90w in MI.

TSC UTF works better for me in VA than the NAPA gear oil.
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I switched from 90w to UTF and now, when plowing snow, the lift is usable immediately. I used to have to wait 5 minutes or so for the 90w molasses to warm up.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:20 am    Post subject: Re: Hydraulic oil Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I thought you only bought chicken feed and bird seed from TSC, Bruce? ; > )

TSC TRAVELLER BRAND:

Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)
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