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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:18 am    Post subject: Hardener for CaseIH Ironguard paint? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I want to use a hardener in my Case Ironguard paint and I was told by the dealer the paint is acrylic enamel made by Valspar. Do I have to use Valspar harderner and which one as I see there are 2 different ones,Renew or 4625? Or can I use another brand hardener such as Majic, kryllon, Napa version or others? Thanks for any help!
 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:53 am    Post subject: Re: Hardener for CaseIH Ironguard paint? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

safest advice i can give you is stick with the hardener that your paint recommends. by experimenting with mixing different paint lines you increase your chances of creating un expected consequences. i have roughly 45 years in the auto body business, and currently own a shop.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:08 am    Post subject: Re: Hardener for CaseIH Ironguard paint? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You should be able to buy the correct and compatible hardener from your CaseIH dealer. My dealer carries both the paint and the hardener. It is a little on the expensive side but you don't use much. I use way less than recommended amounts with good results.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:11 am    Post subject: Re: Hardener for CaseIH Ironguard paint? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks, I kinda of figured that but wanted to see if anyone tried different kinds. When trying to buy the Valspar harderner it is not to be found in stores and it's online but who knows how long it has been sitting. I just thought if I bought an off brand local it would make me feel better!
 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:33 am    Post subject: Re: Hardener for CaseIH Ironguard paint? Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Iron gard is synthetic enamel not acrylic.

If you can't find the Valspar hardener at the dealer, go to a Deere dealer and see if they have it -- identical product.

If they don't have it you just need to find a hardener for synthetic enamels. I buy 5-star hardener from the internet a half-dozen bottles at a time. Napa 8010 works but is a little pricey. Both of these I have used with both Deere and IH enamels with no noticeable effects in sprayability, curing, or durability.

I would NOT recommend using less than the maximum amount suggested on the paint can. More hardener = better UV resistance, and you need all you can get on synthetic enamels. Period.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardener for CaseIH Ironguard paint? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Someone else told me it is was synthetic enamel. The Caseih parts man told me it was acrylic enamel. I am adding it to the Caseih iron guard non-glare black so it may add a little gloss to it. I will check the JD dealer for it and if they don't have it I will try the internet and last resort Napa. Thanks for help!
 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardener for CaseIH Ironguard paint? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Personally I wouldn't use valspar paint on anything. I used valspar paint on a tractor and you could almost see it fade daily. Then there house paint takes more than twice as many coats to get it to cover.

As a rule of thumb with any paint it's best to use the same brand paint, thinner and hardener. The chemists have formulated these products to work together and another brand might be missing an ingredient.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:00 am    Post subject: Re: Hardener for CaseIH Ironguard paint? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Stephen Newell wrote:
(quoted from post at 20:22:42 02/10/20) Personally I wouldn't use valspar paint on anything. I used valspar paint on a tractor and you could almost see it fade daily. Then there house paint takes more than twice as many coats to get it to cover.

As a rule of thumb with any paint it's best to use the same brand paint, thinner and hardener. The chemists have formulated these products to work together and another brand might be missing an ingredient.


I agree with using the full "kit" 9/10 times. For most of these synthetic enamels it's a little less important...heck the Deere and IH dealers didn't usually even have hardeners on the shelf 15-20 years ago, and very little if anything for thinners.

I've used no less than 5 different labels for hardener on these, and various reducers. I never use lacquer thinner, which a lot of people get away with.

The "Quick dry" Deere enamel called for their corresponding quick dry thinner, which was cost-inflated xylene IIRC.

Rustoleum doesn't make a hardener, people add it.

The synthetic enamels just dry to cure...there's not really a "missing component" risk as they aren't catalyzed. Yes there are probably hardeners out there that will cause issue but I've yet to have any issue with any labeled as synthetic enamel hardeners (and a few acrylic enamel ones). Some of these hardeners were also likely developed by chemists to be somewhat universal for these cheaper paint products.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardener for CaseIH Ironguard paint? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks for help! I am planning on using
the CaseIh iron gard non glare Black. If
I use harderner will it be to glossy?
Should I use without harderner? I would
not mind a little more sheen in the non
glare paint. I also don't mind it taking
time to cure but I am worried about
fading and oil,fuel spills and other
possible things that would ruin the
paint.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardener for CaseIH Ironguard paint? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hardener will definitely make the paint better. I use it all the time. It will be more resistant to fading and resistant to chemical spills.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardener for CaseIH Ironguard paint? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I use NAPA
 
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