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DoubleO7
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:25 am    Post subject: Re: M1 .30 Carbine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Caryc wrote:
(quoted from post at 19:22:30 07/29/20)
CVPost-old wrote:
(quoted from post at 13:44:41 07/29/20) You have to remember military rifles are design to wound not kill as such. If you wound one man that remove 2 or 3 from the fight because it takes 2 or 3 out of action taking care of the wounded man.

As for a heavy coat stopping that round it would take a very very heavy coat to even come close.

Also well placed shot at a deer that round will take it down with one shot I know because I have done so in the past


Are you actually saying that the M1 Garand 30.06 was designed to wound enemies? I don't think so. I agree that a wounded enemy takes another to take care of him but that Garand was definitely not designed to wound people.


I would think it is the ammo design, not the gun design that is affects the wounding or killing.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: M1 .30 Carbine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It is the design of the bullet that determines it's lethality.

The Hague Convention outlawed the use of dum dum bullets (any expanding bullet) in war. This did not stop them from using elongate bullets that tumble when they encounter a change of media (going from air to solid substance).

The British 303 Mark 7 bullet was made to be lighter in the nose. This made it bottom heavy and shifted the center of gravity. When it hit an object it tended to tumble, unloading its kinetic energy and tearing up whatever it hit. Actually any long bullet tends to do this, but the engineering makes it more prone to do this, overcoming the gyroscopic effect of spin.

Something similar occurs when you hit the brakes on a car. Most of the braking power is in the front brakes. It tends to make the rear pass the front of the car.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:44 am    Post subject: Re: M1 .30 Carbine Reply to specific post Reply with quote



There are a lot of posts here that show a remarkable ability for people to expound at length on things they don't understand at all. I suppose it's the fault of the internet making experts out of anyone with online access and a willingness to repeat what they read, regardless of it's accuracy.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:57 am    Post subject: Re: M1 .30 Carbine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The analogy of the car braking is a very limited analogy and all analogies are limited. It's the effect not the physics involved.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: M1 .30 Carbine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have a 10-22 that is a copy, except the size. of the M1 .30 Carbine.
 
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