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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:55 am    Post subject: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I want to tow a trailer around the property for loading logs, brush, firewood, etc. I was looking at an attachment similar to the one pictured here. The trailer is a 6x12 dual axle trailer. Will this work okay for that use? Will the limit on the PTO lifting be exceeded if I have a heavy load of firewood?

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

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(quoted from post at 08:55:49 01/13/21) I want to tow a trailer around the property for loading logs, brush, firewood, etc. I was looking at an attachment similar to the one pictured here. The trailer is a 6x12 dual axle trailer. Will this work okay for that use? Will the limit on the PTO lifting be exceeded if I have a heavy load of firewood?
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My thought is by the time you get the ball on, it will be pretty far aft. If you decide to go with what you show I would use chains to support the weight and not the hydraulics. I would use the tow point that is made for the 8n that is attached under the differential.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:51 am    Post subject: Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-528NfromVA wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:55:49 01/13/21) I want to tow a trailer around the property for loading logs, brush, firewood, etc. I was looking at an attachment similar to the one pictured here. The trailer is a 6x12 dual axle trailer. Will this work okay for that use? Will the limit on the PTO lifting be exceeded if I have a heavy load of firewood?
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If you load & for tongue weight of receiver assy, tractor should be OK. You can use stay bars to keep load off hydraulics and to prevent a negative tongue weight from lifting the hitch. Don't let a heavy load push you and tractor down a hill.....that can be deadly.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:06 am    Post subject: Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Does your 8N have the fixed height swinging drawbar under the rear axle? You would not need the attachment you showed if you have the under rear axle hitch. The attachment you show has a welded D ring up near the top link connection which is the most dangerous thing about that attachment. If you buy the attachment, do yourself a favor and cut off the D ring. Hooking to that D ring and pulling is a good way to flip the tractor over on yourself and get pinned underneath. You want to pull low with the tractor, do not pull from above the axle.
As far as pulling the trailer with an 8N, between the trailer weight empty and whatever you load onto the trailer, you could outweigh the 8N in short order. The brakes on an 8N are not the greatest when working correctly. How flat is your land? If your land is very hilly, the trailer weight could get you out of control on a hill side. If your land is flat and your brakes work great, you will be alright if you use common sense.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If I was home I would take a pic. I took a regular draw bar and sway bars for an 8n. Reversed the sway bars and ran them from the mounting pins on the draw bar to the top 3 point mount on the tractor. Leveled the draw bar and welded the triangular assembly in place. Put whatever size ball you want in the bar. It comes on and off the tractor easily and puts no weight on the lift. Only limiting factor is stopping the weight of the trailer.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:33 am    Post subject: Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If you use that, do not go down hill without stay (not sway) bars.

People have been killed doing similar things.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I would agree with the comment about the D ring position. I don't know why they would put an attachment point up that high that you just know someone will hook a chain or rope to and pull something. Really dangerous.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Before I spent any money on that I wood look closely at purchasing an underbody swinging drawbar kit. They sell for about $140 and would be a safer and more versatile choice and it leaves the 3 point out of the picture.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:46 am    Post subject: Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I thought that the swinging draw bar still needed to attach to the 3-point hitch. See picture below. That's why I thought the original attachment I posted may work okay. Does anyone have a picture of a set-up where they are pulling a trailer without using the 3-point?

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

No nothing like that dinosaur. Underbody swinging drawbar kit. Bracket under axle, hangar bolts around PTO. Mounts on 8N's and later. Do a net search for the kit, even TSC sells them.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

This is the back of my 1959 Ford 641, but your 8N could have a similar bracket mount around the PTO shaft, and a bracket under the rear differential for a drawbar. Much safer to pull from this drawbar. Ignore the bar on the three point hitch, it has nothing to do with the drawbar hitch under the rear diffy.

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks Michford and Gas Pump. That picture makes it a lot clearer. I have seen that kit online and I'll be moving in that direction.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote


A double axle trailer can be in the 6,000 lb range, which in my opinion can be very dangerous for a light weight N.
Plus any substantial weight on the rear can lighten the front end steering. Don't know where you are from, but snow or frozen ground can compound things in a hurry on hills or hill sides.
If you ever experience a trailer pushing you , you will never forget the experience.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

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(quoted from post at 13:30:33 01/13/21) Thanks Michford and Gas Pump. That picture makes it a lot clearer. I have seen that kit online and I'll be moving in that direction.
This site sells them, I got one and it works good, but do not pull loaded trailer down any hill to speak of! You will only do it once!
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I agree Gaspump.
The two most important advancements the 8Ns had over the 9/2Ns were position control and a Real drawbar.
A real drawbar will carry more weight, is mounted lower and closer to the chassis and therefore safer to use and doesn't require all the rigamarole sway and stay bars.
 
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