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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 10:17 am    Post subject: Allis 190 Ih 800 planter Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Can I use the hydraulics on a allis 190 to run the blower on an Ih 800 planter? Wasnt sure if it was possible. I know I cant on anything Ih 86 or older
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 10:33 am    Post subject: Re: Allis 190 Ih 800 planter Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Most older tractors lack sufficient cooling capacity to run continuous operation hydraulic motors and I would bet that is the case here. If you have not bought a planter then buy one with a PTO driven pump. I had a 400 Cyclo with PTO driven pump when I first started farming and other than one small leak on the cooling grid I never had a problem.
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: Allis 190 Ih 800 planter Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-NY 986 wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:33:18 05/05/21) Most older tractors lack sufficient cooling capacity to run continuous operation hydraulic motors and I would bet that is the case here. If you have not bought a planter then buy one with a PTO driven pump. I had a 400 Cyclo with PTO driven pump when I first started farming and other than one small leak on the cooling grid I never had a problem.


If the setup works otherwise oil heating can be resolved by mounting an appropriate oil cooler ahead of the Cyclo's fan (if it doesn't already have one).
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 12:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis 190 Ih 800 planter Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The main issue with an open center hyd system running a motor is that one spool will always take priority. So, depending on how it's hooked up, either the motor/blower will quit when you go to raise the planter, or you won't be able to raise the planter.
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis 190 Ih 800 planter Reply to specific post Reply with quote

And if the planter is 540 run it with a 540 not a 1000 run at lower rpm. If you do make sure its actually planting. A friend planted some for me with his 1206. Had to replant with my 4020 using the 540.
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 1:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis 190 Ih 800 planter Reply to specific post Reply with quote

So I have a cyclo 800 planter, and run it first with my CaseIH 5140 and later with my 135 Kubota tractors. One thing I must tell you is you need to have the return line dump directly into the reservoir, and not through the hydraulic control. Easy to do, just find a plug on the tractor, remove it, and put a shot piece of pipe threaded into the hole and put a hydraulic coupler on it. If you try to run the return through the hydraulic control, it will destroy your blower fan motor
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis 190 Ih 800 planter Reply to specific post Reply with quote

After the old JD 494A plate planter [my first] the next was a used White air planter. It came with a PTO pump/reservoir. As I had a JD tractor with closed center hydraulics, I didn't use the PTO pump. I found that you couldn't just flip the remote control lever running the blower to off. The momentum of the blower didn't want to stop immediately! Fortunately for me, there was an oil cooler mounted over the blower intake. This oil cooler was hooked into the return [low pressure side] of the system with slip on hoses and hose clamps. A hose blowing off the cooler and dumping oil was like a safety valve. Lucky me! When it was time to update, I wanted a new White. But I would have had to travel two hours to get to a dealer. So, I settled for a JD vacuum. This has the extra, dedicated drain line running right to the tractor sump.
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis 190 Ih 800 planter Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Picture for you of my direct flow into the hydraulic reservoir line connection. My description may have just confused you.

I used a larger hose end and coupler, so there can be no mistake when connecting, because the return line will not fit into the remote outlets. And dont worry too much if the air pressure drops while you are raising the planter, you are at the end of the row anyway, just drive forward a extra foot then lift the planter. It doesnt require down pressure to lower the corn planter, so no pressure loss when returning to the next row.
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis 190 Ih 800 planter Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Could I do this with my Allis 7020
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2021 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: Allis 190 Ih 800 planter Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Could I use a 886 and just dump the oil in the resubmit or will
it still creat to much heat? It does have a oil cooler.
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2021 6:24 am    Post subject: Re: Allis 190 Ih 800 planter Reply to specific post Reply with quote

What series tractor is your picture of?
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2021 6:27 am    Post subject: Re: Allis 190 Ih 800 planter Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The allis has a separate hydraulic vs rear end fluid resivor.
Just wondering if this will work because I bought a 800 8 row
narrow and plan on using it for beans. It didnt have a pump
just 2 hydraulic ends. I dont want to take the pump off my
other planter to run this one if I do t have too.
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2021 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: Allis 190 Ih 800 planter Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Kubota M135GX , but I used the same IH 800 on my CaseIH 5140 the very same way. You just need to locate a plug on the reservoir that you can thread out, and thread a section of pipe into.. you will need to have something around 12GPM hydraulic pump on the tractor. These two tractors I had had about double that. Not sure what pump would be in your tractor.
 
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