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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:46 am    Post subject: Hot Water Heater Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hi ,


School me on how a 220 volt AC hot water heater works . I know the basics. Mine isn't very old at lest within the last 5 years . About 30 - 40 gallon . Located in root celler below utility room. Both thermostats set on 120. Dual elements. Have to take a speed shower or run out of hot water in less than 5 minutes .Had a bad hot water leak about two months ago leaked for about a week before I could fix it . Tripped breaker . Reset and worked , fixed leak and worked for a few weeks and tripped breaker again . Reset breaker and it works , but as before hot water doesn't last long ,app. 5 minutes . Tested with digital tester a couple of weeks ago . Used all the hot water and went down and tested it as it was reheating. I had ( without going back in cellar to retest , but from memory ) app. 120 vac - 220 vac at the top element and 110 at bottom element . I know that the elements unscrew from them to replace , but do you use a special sockets / wrenchs or just everyday tools ? For what it's worth we are on city water and I'm only in there to bathe and wash hair ,shave and brush teeth . Mom takes a bath and uses hot water to wash clothes three times a week , at least three loads . Hot water used to last longer .Any ideas ? Thanks for any and all help .

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:58 am    Post subject: Re: Hot Water Heater Reply to specific post Reply with quote

On the wrench I bought one at ace hard ware to fit the big hex nut.Their tough to get out sometimes.Sounds like you have a burned out element.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Hot Water Heater Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Take 1 wire off the lower element. Be sure to first turn the breaker off. Check the ohms. You should get a pretty low reading if it is good. If your reading is real high most likely the lower element is bad. On most water heaters electric that is it takes a 1-1/2 inch socket to remove the element. Also likely if you have hard water to have a good bit of lime build up and if you do you need to take a shop vac and rig up a pipe on it to suck out a lot of the lime or a new element will not last long.
BTDT to many times over the years
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Hot Water Heater Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've got a big socket in my 3/4 inch drive set that fits mine. Have you checked yours for sure to know that it unscrews? I've had them before that were held in by 4 bolts through a flange.
I changed one about six weeks ago that had a heck of a bunch of lime in the tank. I duct taped a piece of black plastic pipe in the hose on the wet/dry shop vac and sucked as much of it out as I could.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Hot Water Heater Reply to specific post Reply with quote

said this before, I call it a " water heater " hot water is already hot. Just a pet peeve of mine calling it a hot water heater. Bill
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Hot Water Heater Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I was going to say something about that but decided not to LOL. But yes it is a water heater not a hot water heater
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Hot Water Heater Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don't see it as that wacky a term. It IS a type of heater that makes "hot water."

Do you also get upset when someone calls pizza "pizza pie" which means "pie-pie"?
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Hot Water Heater Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Follow the directions made on other posts and replace both elements. Sounds like you may have cooked both elements as even one will give you more heated water then the gallon or two you seem to have. If you are on city water the lime build-up will not be as bad as well water and you should have very little crud in the bottom of the tank.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Hot Water Heater Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The two heating elements are never supposed to be on at the same time. When all is cold the top comes on first. When the top level of the tank gets hot - the top element shuts off and the lower element comes on. When the entire tank is warm the bottom then shuts off. If the bottom burns out, the tank will still make hot water but not an awful lot.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Hot Water Heater Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I agree check both elements and if you have water that has high mineral deposits like ours here I buy a special element kit from Home Depot they last at least twice as long as the std ones
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Hot Water Heater Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have heard of changing elements this way. Never tried it.
Did not watch the video either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyC55h7lhYM
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Hot Water Heater Reply to specific post Reply with quote

we have had a electric heater in our house over 50yrs. they make a special curved element for heaters with lime deposits BUT if you put one in, you need to drain and flush the tank at least once a year. if its down in a hole with no drain; it will be more of a challenge but you should still hook a hose onto the drain nozzle on the heater and let cold water run for an hour. be sure to turn off electricity. mine is on the main floor, so I turn off the water and open the vent on top the tank and drain it dry, then flush it a few times. they do clean out nice. if you have a wash tub to run it into in the cellar, you can get an elec pump and put it into the tub.
only caution I will give is the factory drain valve isn't very high quality. it might be fun to get it to shut completely off. I now change my valve. but never failed to get the factory one shut off but it worried me!
also; I use socket from my 3/4 drive set.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Hot Water Heater Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hot water maker?
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Hot Water Heater Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Between 9 and 11 ohms on a good element, with both wires detached from it. If there is any conductivity on a 1000 Ohm Scale to the tank from the elment screws it is also toast even if it has the right Ohms across the screws. Jim
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Hot Water Heater Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I would be very disappointed if that reminder didn"t show up at least once. It"s almost criminal to let it pass by! LOL
 
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