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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:38 pm    Post subject: 560D Injector pump question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have a 1959 IH Farmall 560D tractor. Im guessing its the D282 engine. Serial number on tractor is 21089. Im not sure if its the early or late model 560D. It is nut pumping fuel and i have the chance to purchase a new old stock injector pump at a good price. Heres the question..... The beginning of the model or part number on the existing pump is "DGBFC". The model or part number on the new one is "DGFCL". They both "LOOK" very very similar. Same locations for all the lines and cables and mounting and overall appearance is almost exact. Will the new one "DGFCL" work for me as a direct replacement? Where can i find compatibility information or another that will work if the one mentioned wont? Thank you.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: 560D Injector pump question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I think its a 59 Model. Sorry i cant help on pump ?.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:13 am    Post subject: Re: 560D Injector pump question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Need the complete DGFCL # to find what it is from. Never saw any 560 that did not have a DBGFC pump, early models had the bolt on advance while the later pumps had the integral advance housing.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: 560D Injector pump question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

DGFCL 635---7AQ
 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:37 am    Post subject: Re: 560D Injector pump question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The 7AQ came from a WIS-Con TD427 Generator engine. with no timing advance.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: 560D Injector pump question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

There is a plate on both sides with "Timed Start INJ" on each side and opposite the throttle there is a lever that looks similar to the throttle. I thought that was the advance. Ive uploaded pictures of both sides of the new pump. I will take pictures of the old pump this evening to compare.


 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:08 am    Post subject: Re: 560D Injector pump question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Pictures tell the story. No advance and it will not work satisfactory on a 560. Also, if you do find another pump, make sure it has a load advance and not a speed advance. There is a lot of difference in performance of that engine between the two advances. Load advance will have an adjustable governor guide screw and speed advance will have adjustable screw on the end cap of the advance piston. Like previously stated, two different styles of load advance. One with separate bolt on housing on bottom of pump and the other(latest and best) is integral housing cast with pump .
 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: 560D Injector pump question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We need to have the complete DBGFC # to compare internal components.
Just because your old pump doesn"t pump doesn"t mean you need a new one.. IF indeed your head and rotor is seized it would have snapped the drive shaft. IF the head is worn out and you already have the "new pump" the internals can be swapped into the old housing if compatible, but we need the #"s off the old pump.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: 560D Injector pump question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You might have something as simple as a stuck metering valve, or a failing governor drive flex ring plugging up the pump return.Neither of these are as expensive as replacing the pump.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: 560D Injector pump question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks guys for the help. I will get the full number off the old one also and post it. I didnt realize there were 2 different types of advance. Im new to diesel.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: 560D Injector pump question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Where can i find parts to rebuild my old pump. Sorry, i still have not gotten the full numbers off of it. I will get those when im there working on it tomorrow morning. Thanks for all the help.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: 560D Injector pump question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Well after all the raid dried up i could finally get to the tractor. Here is a picture of the old pump still installed and the full model number of the pump.
Model Number: DGBFC631--49AE


 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: 560D Injector pump question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

SORRY TYPO.... DBGFC631--49AE
 
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