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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:44 pm    Post subject: 201 Engines. 10 Series vs BSD Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Do the 10 Series engines have the extra webbing on the side of the block?
I thought they did but don't know.
Can you id one from the other by looking at it?
Did the 10 series use the 9/16" headbolts?
What other differences was there between them?
Also, when did they start putting turbos on 201s and how much hp did that add?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: 201 Engines. 10 Series vs BSD Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The 1995 - 1999 US made 4630 went from the 201 to the smaller 192 engine with a turbo. That is the only engine close to the 201 that is turbocharged.

This guy put a turbo on his old 420 industrial with the 183 diesel, it came out pretty nice. http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/customization/289553-my-turbocharged-ford-420-industrial.html
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: 201 Engines. 10 Series vs BSD Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don't think the series 10's had the webbing, unless some of the late ones did. AFAIK, seeing that on the block is a giveaway that it's had a BSD put in it.
Like ptfarmer said, no factory turboed 201's. Would probably be pretty easy to take the parts from a 192 turbo and swap them over...but you'd be lacking the oil cooled pistons and other internal upgrades factory turbo models got. I'd guess a 15-20% bump in power, depending on how the pump is set. Keep it reasonable, and they will live... push things, and you'll soon be doing a rebuild or looking for a different engine. Local guy added a turbo to an early (233 c.i.) 5000 and pushed it to 90+ h.p. A few weeks later, it was in the shop to get a 268 BSD because of melted pistons.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:05 pm    Post subject: Re: 201 Engines. 10 Series vs BSD Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If you don't go crazy with the boost, 5 lbs or so shouldn't hurt. My brothers 7710 (with a factory turbo) only has 10 more hp than a tractor with the same engine without the turbo. 5 psi may not sound like much, but it does make a noticeable difference in power.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: 201 Engines. 10 Series vs BSD Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Neighbor had an early 90s 4630.

It was turboed and was about 60-62 PTO HP.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:58 am    Post subject: Re: 201 Engines. 10 Series vs BSD Reply to specific post Reply with quote


My 90 model 6610 has the extra webbing on it's 268 four cylinder engine.
We replaced a 256 turbo engine in a A62 wheel loader with a BSD 268 Turbo in the late 80's, that engine had the extra webbing.

Ford replaced the 201 with a 192 turbo engine in 95, all internal parts are different, unable to connect to parts search this morning to get details.
To turbo a older 201 and make it dependable for hard use, one could use three of the pistons and rods from a 268 turbo engine and turbo setup from a 192 turbo engine, with engine oil aiding in piston cooling would be a good idea to add the engine oil cooler also.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:21 am    Post subject: Re: 201 Engines. 10 Series vs BSD Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The block webbing was applied to all (as far as I know all) Basildon engines in 1983. I'm not sure of the exact date tho. All I know for certain is that every 10 I've seen around here had a ribbed block from day one.
I believe if you find a block with 9/16" head bolts that would be a FxNN from a 30 series. They're usually stepped stud blocks with the aluminum seal carrier on them too. Bern or someone might have some more specifics on that... but I think that's the rough correlation.

As far as the turbo's go.... Ford never offered an OEM turbo 201. The 192 was the only one that got that treatment at Basildon. That said, there were some modified for sale in South Africa (I think) that were decaled as a 4610T. They were used in a mine or something.... Those had a little turbo on them and made perhaps 60 horse. Those things are described a bit in 'The Ford Tractor Story'.

As far as the innards go on the 30 series turbo engine... I researched it at one time... but best I can recall the only difference was perhaps a keystone ring. IIRC, the crank, rods, pistons, etc were the same as the natural engine. They really didn't give those engines much boost anyway so it wouldn't really matter. Although I would dare say they'd probably tolerate 65-70 PTO horse fine if you could keep them cool. I've got a 233 in a 5000 with an M&W kit on it that would easily be in that range and doesn't seem to have effected it much. The 268T can easily run 100-110 PTO without falling apart.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: 201 Engines. 10 Series vs BSD Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks again guys.
I'm still learning about these newer tractors.
I think in the future if I see one with the ribbing I'll just call it a Basildon instead of a 10 Series as I said in the post below.
As for the turbo, I'm not much interested in converting one. Just wondered about it.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:48 am    Post subject: Re: 201 Engines. 10 Series vs BSD Reply to specific post Reply with quote

They are all Basildon engines, webbing or not.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:26 am    Post subject: Re: 201 Engines. 10 Series vs BSD Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I agree with Rick. All of these engines were made in the same factory. I can't say when the webbing started, but it's safe to say that both production tractors as well as BSD engines got the webbing at around the same time. The fact that many BSD engines sat in crates for a while might explain why it seems the BSD engines were later.

With regards to turbocharged 201s, some of my co-workers at the dealership I used to work for once took a 3-cylinder 4000 with a 201 and turbocharged it. They also put a Simms inline pump on it. It had a SOS transmission in it, and I guess they used to take it to tractor pulls and embarrass everyone else in that weight class with that machine.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:51 am    Post subject: Re: 201 Engines. 10 Series vs BSD Reply to specific post Reply with quote


A guy traded a 7600 in at the dealer my brother worked at, back then every tractor that was traded in was hooked to the dyno to check engine condition. When the dyno got to 150 hp the head gasket let go, they replaced the head gsk and turned the inline pump down to around 100 hp.
With a inline pump and turbo I could see a 201 making 100 hp or more, that would put a load on that SOS but with it's gear selection it would make one heck of a puller.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: 201 Engines. 10 Series vs BSD Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If I knew that a 7600 was making a true 150HP at the PTO, I wouldn't be standing anywhere near it, I can tell you that!
 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:18 am    Post subject: Re: 201 Engines. 10 Series vs BSD Reply to specific post Reply with quote

'BSD' engines were released for sale, I believe in 1986. I'd have to check 'The Ford Tractor Story' for the reference date to be certain.. but it was around there. A BSD engine was just a line Basildon sold onto the open market to increase Ford's production from the plant, outside of tractor production.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:31 am    Post subject: Re: 201 Engines. 10 Series vs BSD Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Bern wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:24:49 03/11/17) If I knew that a 7600 was making a true 150HP at the PTO, I wouldn't be standing anywhere near it, I can tell you that!



Yea, its not "if" its going to blow up, but when it blows up.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:35 am    Post subject: Re: 201 Engines. 10 Series vs BSD Reply to specific post Reply with quote


That is pushing a 256 pretty good but I remember going to the farm machinery show sometime in the 80's I believe , Ford had a 7610 or 7710 cab tractor there on display painted a metallic blue with duals, wheels where painted white and had the red and blue pin stripes around the outer edges, I've always thought it was the prettiest ford tractor I've even seen.
Ford was advertising the 268 engine in that tractor making reliable 140 hp.

As for the 7600 we found out later that it had competed on the pulling circuit, my brother bought it and farmed with it a few years before selling it, never had any issues with it.
With 18.4-34 radials and a full front weight rack it would pull 4-16 semi mounts in hard clay ground packing the front wheels across the field.
My cousin was having a hard time pulling 3-16 mounted with his 185 Allis in the same field.
 
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