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What style Load Binder(s) do you have?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:43 am    Post subject: Re: What style Load Binder(s) do you have? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

kcm.MN wrote:
(quoted from post at 18:01:59 10/26/17) Well, I didn't look it up, but I also use a binder on every single chain. If a chain is wrapped around an object such that it might not have equal tension along its length, then I'll use multiple binders on the same chain.

Had never actually thought about this before - was just something that seemed common-sense.

One thing I like about a binder on every chain is, in the event your load gets any slack at all, if that slack is on that front chain, then you can tighten up the binder. Without a binder there, the hauler might be tempted to just "get by" with things the way they are rather than having to dig another binder out of the back of the truck. It's fairly normal for me to end up using at least one more load binder than the number of chains I'm using.

I check my load EVERY SINGLE TIME I have to pull over - for gas, to stretch my legs, whatever. Wife has gotten to where she does it also. *lol* Will have to pull in somewhere and let her "run inside" Wink , and I'll check the load, tires, hitch, and the lights. Then she'll come out and we'll go through it all one more time! *lol* I don't even tease her about it. I'd rather be safe than sorry, and it only takes a minute.....X2! Laughing


KCM; that is all very good but you do not try say that it is the law as DWF did. What I am referring to here is the reference to something being the law, when I am pretty sure that it is not. I see a pervasive tendency on this forum to try to make various FMCSA rules much more complicated and detailed than they are, usually by going from heresay rather than actually reading the rules. When you actually go and read them you see that they are written to make compliance easy by giving the driver a lot of leeway to use his own judgement.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: What style Load Binder(s) do you have? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

True, I didn't state anything about the law. Fact is, I don't ever remember reading anything about chains and load binders. I go only on what I've learned and from my own common sense thinking.

It makes sense to me that if a chain is wrapped/routed around something, there is a chance that not all of the tension can be worked out from one side. So I keep an eye on that, and always check multiple parts of each chain as a tension comparison.

If I found anything in the laws, I'd probably get ticked because now they'd be listing some specific tension amount, which would cause me to have to go out and buy yet another tool/instrument/gauge that I would rarely use! *lol*

I know that lots of information out there gets touted as being "legit" or "law", or whatever, but I also understand that the mind and the memory can play some truly baffling tricks on us! There are things that I remembered perfectly clear from just a few months earlier, only to go back and hear a recording where I heard myself saying the exact opposite. ....Fortunately I was listening to this by myself, but still felt like crawling under a rock! Embarassed
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:49 am    Post subject: Re: What style Load Binder(s) do you have? Reply to specific post Reply with quote


This is the first time I have ever heard of lever binders not being legal. Makes about as much sense as someone saying greasing fifth wheels is illegal because the grease is too slippery and the truck will jack-knife. Wink read the handbook, I bet it doesnt say anything about the binder type.

I would talk to a flatbed hauler at a truckstop to get a little closer to the action.


But, if you dont like that style, let me know how much you want out of them and I would be interested, especially in that one on the right, and if any of the others are Lebus.

Also, the pic of how the chain is fastened is not how I would do it, nor do I think its legal.

I always hook the chain to the rail, as if things get so loose the binder hops off, there is still a loose chain that would at least keep the load somewhat contained to the trailer. (Condensing the wreck? Smile ) I am thinking this is how the DOT will see it too.

As far as slack, I will wrap it around the handle, and then take a bungee cord and hook it to the load or the side-rail and hook to the middle of the chain that is hanging loose after being wrapped.

To answer your question, my chainbox is filled with lever binders primarily, both spring and non-spring binders (the ones with coil springs on them for maintaining tension) but I do have at least one ratchet style.

My chains are usually 1/4 inch grade 70 (rated for over 3000 lbs working load, much higher breaking strength) since my cargo is primarily combine headers, but I always have at least 1 5/16 in the rack, and will add more if I know I will be hauling a decent sized tractor.

I also have at least 3 or 4 2-inch straps, and then 4 1 inch straps.
With the straps, duct tape is for rookies. Wink I was taught by a trucker how to loop the slack back in on itself, and its able to self-retain itself, and is easily unlooped so you can tighten the ratchet without cutting duct tape or zip ties.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: What style Load Binder(s) do you have? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I started to write a detailed reply, then I thought about just ignoring that post....but this is a site for folks to learn from (including me), so here goes. As I mentioned before, I don't know the letter of the law - never have claimed to, and can pretty much guarantee I never will. BUT, I know my trailer! Bought it brand new in Ft. Worth in the early 90's. Safety chains weren't even mandatory then -- at least not there.

You say you would connect to the railing. On this trailer, not a good idea. The railing is very thin angle - thin enough that I can push it laterally by hand. It has vertical strength, but even that is limited. Where I hooked the chain to is heavy angle, and actually makes up part of the framework of the trailer. The chain could not possibly slide off, and if I were in an accident, I would wholeheartedly trust that connection point over the rail.

"As far as slack, I will wrap it around the handle, and then take a bungee cord and hook it to the load or the side-rail and hook to the middle of the chain that is hanging loose after being wrapped."
When I have excess chain, I'll wrap it all around the binder handle. When I only do one wrap, the chain slides close to the pivot point of the binder, which offers the least amount of safety to prevent the handle from popping open. Using multiple wraps (when chain is available), the wraps extend further out towards the end of the handle, providing more and better security. Also, I can see instances where a bungee could fail, then you have slack in that excess chain and, depending on how much excess chain there is, could potentially become a lethal weapon. ...I'm not saying it "would" happen; only that it's less likely for the chain to fail rather than the bungee.

"I also have at least 3 or 4 2-inch straps, and then 4 1 inch straps.
With the straps, duct tape is for rookies. Wink I was taught by a trucker how to loop the slack back in on itself, and its able to self-retain itself, and is easily unlooped so you can tighten the ratchet without cutting duct tape or zip ties
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Sounds great! Feel free to post how this is done, or even make a new thread dedicated to the use of straps. I haven't seen such an idea, but am very interested!!

Back when I spent much time around truckers, these kinds of ratchet straps weren't yet on the market. Still learning tricks about using them, and what works best for me. However, I don't use straps a lot, so the learning part is rather slow.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: What style Load Binder(s) do you have? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

showcrop wrote:
When you actually go and read them you see that they are written to make compliance easy by giving the driver a lot of leeway to use his own judgement.


The driver's own judgement doesn't count at the weigh/inspection station. If the DOT officer's own judgement isn't the same as the driver's own judgement, the driver gets a ticket.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: What style Load Binder(s) do you have? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

BarnyardEngineering wrote:
(quoted from post at 07:44:46 11/01/17)
showcrop wrote:
When you actually go and read them you see that they are written to make compliance easy by giving the driver a lot of leeway to use his own judgement.


The driver's own judgement doesn't count at the weigh/inspection station. If the DOT officer's own judgement isn't the same as the driver's own judgement, the driver gets a ticket.



I don't think that many of us would lump weights in with FMCSA regs, LOL. And anyone that thinks that the inspectors are making up their own rules needs to get off their training wheels.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: What style Load Binder(s) do you have? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

showcrop wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:33:45 11/01/17)
BarnyardEngineering wrote:
(quoted from post at 07:44:46 11/01/17)
showcrop wrote:
When you actually go and read them you see that they are written to make compliance easy by giving the driver a lot of leeway to use his own judgement.


The driver's own judgement doesn't count at the weigh/inspection station. If the DOT officer's own judgement isn't the same as the driver's own judgement, the driver gets a ticket.



I don't think that many of us would lump weights in with FMCSA regs, LOL. And anyone that thinks that the inspectors are making up their own rules needs to get off their training wheels.


The inspectors do not make up their own rules, but each inspector interprets those rules differently. They are only human.
 
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