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How much traction do you gain with chains?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:00 am    Post subject: Re: How much traction do you gain with chains? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hi, my friend lives where he gets a fair amount of
snow. He went to a big tire co. nearby that deals
with a lot of logging truck owners. They had a
bunch of broken chains about. They gave him
several. He made some for his Ford 4000 out of
the best pieces. He said they work pretty good. But
I think the chains that cross the tires and join 2
laterals with a ring would be best. I see them on log
skidders. Ed Will Oliver BC
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: How much traction do you gain with chains? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

it will help tremendously it will almost turn a wheeled tractor into a dozer on ice or in mud as well but when they spin you will be stuck quick and as previously said the rougher the ride of chains the better they are
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: How much traction do you gain with chains? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I use the double ring chains on my
snowplow tractor and hiway type chains
on my other tractor. The hiway chains
do ok I run them loose so they flop
around a bit and don't get stuck
between the lugs on the tires. I can't
imagine not having them. It's like
being back on dirt with them on.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:28 am    Post subject: Re: How much traction do you gain with chains? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Your biggest problem is the useless "pull-type" snowblower.



Those are only good if you don't get more than a few inches of fluff. Otherwise you are struggling through big snow drifts, beaching the tractor, trying to pull this thing through.

All chains will do is ensure you get even more stuck, quicker. The problem is clearance under the belly of the tractor. You can only go through snow so deep before the tractor gets high-centered on the snow. Once the belly of the tractor is sitting on enough snow the wheels can't touch the ground, can't get any traction, and you're STUCK, whether you have chains or not.

Effective snow removal in any appreciable snowfall requires the tractor to be BEHIND the snow removal implement, on cleared ground.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: How much traction do you gain with chains? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

On a slippery base layer, chains are essential, and will make a HUGE difference. Without chains on my MF135 I could go nowhere - chains on and I could V plough down or UP hill! Jim

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:21 am    Post subject: Re: How much traction do you gain with chains? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

BarnyardEngineering wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:28:42 01/03/1Cool Once the belly of the tractor is sitting on enough snow the wheels can't touch the ground, can't get any traction, and you're STUCK, whether you have chains or not.

Effective snow removal in any appreciable snowfall requires the tractor to be BEHIND the snow removal implement, on cleared ground.


That was my first thought too. In a serious winter snow accumulation I would not have much hope with the Cockshutt 40 and a pull type blower. But my "push type" rear mount blower has been getting the job done for the past 40 years without tire chains. If it gets a little too heavy pushing on ice I just use the hydraulics to put a little of the blower's weight on the tractor which makes a big difference in traction right there. I'm sure tire chains will add some traction to any tractor but I've never owned a set of chains and have no plans to buy them.
https://youtu.be/w3If1uIg7hA

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:43 am    Post subject: Re: How much traction do you gain with chains? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

About chains damaging your concrete floor..........
If you do not spin the tires on the concrete you will not really hurt it.
I suppose if you got your eyeball close enough you might see some pin head nicks.

Clearing out the snow down to dirt/gravel will help a long way in being able to clear it out the next time.
i.e. do not let anyone drive on it and pack it down before you get out there and clear it.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:44 am    Post subject: Re: How much traction do you gain with chains? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

rusty6 wrote:
(quoted from post at 12:21:10 01/03/1Cool
BarnyardEngineering wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:28:42 01/03/1Cool Once the belly of the tractor is sitting on enough snow the wheels can't touch the ground, can't get any traction, and you're STUCK, whether you have chains or not.

Effective snow removal in any appreciable snowfall requires the tractor to be BEHIND the snow removal implement, on cleared ground.


I've never owned a set of chains and have no plans to buy them.


Famous last words LOL. It does help not to have hills....looks like you are flat enough if you stood on a tuna can you could see the back of your head Very Happy Very Happy
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: How much traction do you gain with chains? Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Holy Snow Cow!
Do you ever wish you had a power unit for that blower where you were inside a heated cab and was facing the thrower as you drove it FORWARD??
You must have weightlifter neck muscles, LOL.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:51 am    Post subject: Re: How much traction do you gain with chains? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Drive it on plywood or boards.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:51 am    Post subject: Re: How much traction do you gain with chains? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hey Barnyard Engineering, How did you get a picture of my 8n and Erskine snow blower? Cool I have had mine since about 1972 and it was built in about 1948 or so. My dad bought a new one in 1950 and my serial # is lower. I have blown more snow than I can imagine after living in Minnesota and now South Dakota. If you know its capabilities and limits it will work for many, many years with little or no maintenance except greasing. In the 30+ years my dad had his he only replaced the pillow block bearing housing once, bearing was fine. On mine, I removed the fan several years ago to straighten the fins and then balanced it so it spins beautifully.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: How much traction do you gain with chains? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have chains for my 3020 and my skidloader.. HUGE DIFFERENCE with chains then without.. Esp if you have had a snow
and it has packed down on drive making it slick and you get more snow to clear. I try to clear my drive without
moving the rock base leaving a little snow on top. Prob is when it gets packed it gets slick and with more snow ontop
tractor and skidloader slide around.. I use my skidloader the most for snow removal just because I can scoop, move
and pile. Chains on the rear tires only on skidload dont need on front.

I made chains for a old lawn tractor that I keep on year round only to have traction in wet conditions and dry
conditions.. Keep it off pavement though..
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: How much traction do you gain with chains? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Many factor come into play with chains being need or not. Packed snow and or ice yes they do help a lot. Wet snow that is not packed down pretty much does not matter. I clear my driveway with my Ford 841S and the only time I need chains to do the job is when there is ice or real badly packed snow. I use a 85. foot wide V plow on the loader
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: How much traction do you gain with chains? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

On a 2wd tractor I wouldn't waste my time
without them. If I had a 4wd tractor and a
lot of snow I would still have chains.

Someone else mentioned having the traction of a dozer with chains. I can tell you on hard froze ground, I can out pull a dozer of the same weight.

These are Trygg brand chains, yes they were expensive, but I will never wear them out. And yes they will chew up concrete. If you spin them on concrete, they will dig a hole.


 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:30 pm    Post subject: Re: How much traction do you gain with chains? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Eldon (WA) wrote:
(quoted from post at 12:44:22 01/03/1Cool [quote="rusty6"

Famous last words LOL. It does help not to have hills....looks like you are flat enough if you stood on a tuna can you could see the back of your head Very Happy Very Happy


Don't get me wrong, I've been stuck a time or two. Underneath those huge snowbanks there is ditch on each side of the driveway. Slide into that and it can be a challenge getting back on the road. But most of the time 40+ years of experience has developed some driving skills to avoid those occurrences.
And yes, we do have hills here. Hitting them in high reverse for a little momentum will carry me through. PLus there is a huge difference in traction between cold temperatures and warm. Wet snow is slippery (poor traction) and heavy, requiring more power to move. Super cold snow is dry for good traction and its light , blows like dust.
And front mount blowers are nice but then you need even more traction since all that weight on the front axle takes away from the rear.
 
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