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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:55 am    Post subject: Ford 651 hydraulics Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Anyone know much about these "FDS457 Hydraulic Valve Adapter Kits" sold on various tractor parts sites? Wanting to add single acting cylinder capability on my 651 tractor to operate a hydraulic arm hoist that I built, but don't want to have to chain the three-point lift down every time I go to use it. I have an open center valve for it already. I used this hoist on my Jubilee tractor, but it already had an adapter plate on it. Can't swap the adapter because they are different.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 651 hydraulics Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Why not just add a remote valve instead of the adapter?
They come up on eBay or CraigsList pretty regular.
Always on eBay new, but pricey. There are many different styles.
The one you have for a Jubilee, if like this first pic, fetch a premium.
So does the dual valve in the second picture. The third is Tisco
and works fine. The Jubilee valve will fit the 651 with an adapter
plate. I recently sold the one pictured with the adapter to fit a x01.





 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 651 hydraulics Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I found the adapter in my first picture for about $50. I already have the valve I can mount on the fender where it's handy to operate. I found out this plate with the valve I have will let me use my hoist and still use the 3-point as long as I don't try to use both at the same time. That will work for me. I think this will be my cheapest, easiest route to go. One of those valves you show would be nice, but everyone seems to want a fortune for the used ones they want to sell on ebay. Thanks for the input.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 651 hydraulics Reply to specific post Reply with quote

This is the valve I am using on the Jubilee that I will move to the 651 with the adapter plate. I won't need the diverter valve on it anymore.

 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:16 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 651 hydraulics Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Use quick disconnect hoses between the plate and the loader valve, and reverse the gender on the two hoses for two reasons:

1. you won't ever be able to confuse which hose goes where.

2. You need to loop the two hoses from the adapter pate to each other when the loader isn't connected or the 3 point won't work and you will be dead heading the pump.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:32 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 651 hydraulics Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Shouldn't have to worry about that as the valve I am using is open center and the adapter plate has pressure out and return in, if I understand it right.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:44 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 651 hydraulics Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hdonly wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:32:27 01/14/1Cool Shouldn't have to worry about that as the valve I am using is open center and the adapter plate has pressure out and return in, if I understand it right.


As long as you never intend to remove the loader from the tractor, you are correct.

But if you ever need to run the tractor when the loader is removed then you need something to loop the two ports on the plate to each other.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:55 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 651 hydraulics Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I am not using a loader, just a hoist I build for the 3-point. It has a single acting cylinder and the valve stays on the tractor. Just a quick disconnect to the cylinder.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:47 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 651 hydraulics Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hdonly wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:55:37 01/14/1Cool I am not using a loader, just a hoist I build for the 3-point. It has a single acting cylinder and the valve stays on the tractor. Just a quick disconnect to the cylinder.


Sorry for my confusion. As long as the open center control valve stays connected to the adapter plate then it's all good.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 651 hydraulics Reply to specific post Reply with quote

When I first started looking at these adapter plates, I was a little confused. I finally found some instructions for them and figured out how they worked. A lot of sites that sell them don't tell you much about them. Thank you all for your information. Now I just need to order some fittings and such to put it all together.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 651 hydraulics Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Finally got this all together. Used the manual diverter vales. One way cycles the fluid out of the adapter plate and back in the plate. Other position runs the fluid through my control valve to the hoist cylinder and open center return to a fitting in the filler cap. Each lift is now independent of the other. Three point will stay where I leave it and the hoist will stay where I leave it. Works perfectly. Will try to put up some pictures of it all tomorrow. This is the hoist that is now hooked up on the 651. This Jubilee now has my minie-backhoe and soon my 703 front end loader going on it. The Jubilee will be a dedicated Tractor Loader Backhoe.

 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:52 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 651 hydraulics Reply to specific post Reply with quote

How is that hoist attached to the back of the tractor? Why not just use a boom pole on the 3 point arms?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:43 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 651 hydraulics Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have much more control with this hoist. It will go lower and lift higher than a boom pole. Plus I still can raise and lower the three point while the hoist holds position. Helps when picking things off a flatbed truck.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 651 hydraulics Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Finished pictures.





 
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