Yesterday's Tractor Co.
Shop Now View Cart
   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 9N,2N,8N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   Traditional YT Forum ViewClassic View   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile    Log inLog in 

1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help

Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

 
Post new topic    
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
BadBoi
New User


Joined: 26 Jun 2018
Posts: 7
Location: Michigan

Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Still wondering what the Culprit was & what else might have came apart to create this mess. Question Valvetrain Question loose bolt Question those gears did'nt break on their own. look closely! Shocked Definitely pull that oil pan before you put that thing back in service if you have'nt already! Basic Gasket sets are cheap (online)..Laughing Twisted Evil Keep us posted!
 
Back to top
View user's profile
rininger85
Regular


Joined: 20 Jan 2018
Posts: 26


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Not sure what caused the issue or if I'll be able to figure that out... I haven't came across anything suspicious other than the broken parts that I mentioned.

Royse was generous in offering me the cam thrust plate all I had to do was drive over and get it, unfortunately it's been a crazy busy summer and I haven't had a chance to. I've collected all of the other new parts that I needed except for the cam thrust plate and had been intending to go visit Royse to get it, but after not being able to make time to go there all summer I decided to just buy one online... so I start looking and found a UF17381 part number that replaces EAA6269B thrust plate... only problem was by the time you pay shipping they want $85 for a 3" chunk of metal with three holes in it. I found an EAA6269A that said it was for the same era of ford truck for $15 with shipping, it looked like the same thing so I hoped the A vs B was a revision level so I bought it to try... it looks to be good, fits properly, same thickness as the old one... so I think I have all of the parts I need to put it back together.

Saturday I went out to try and pull the old cam out. I loosened the rockers and slid the push rods up out of the way, try to pull the came and no luck... argh found out you have to split the engine block from the tractor and take the flywheel off the crank in order to access a panel that has another gear on the back of the camshaft that has to be unbolted and removed before you can pull the cam... nothing is ever easy.

So now it is on hold a bit longer. Not sure when I'll get to it, hopefully mid November at the latest -- snow will start flying soon after that, but I have some time off for hunting that hopefully I won't have to spend the whole time in the woods looking for bambi and can spend some time on the tractor... my weekends are shot between now and then so it'll have to work.
 
Back to top
View user's profile
rininger85
Regular


Joined: 20 Jan 2018
Posts: 26


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:09 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help Reply to specific post Reply with quote


if I do ever get this thing running again it'll be with a bunch of new parts... I have a new cam shaft, new cam gear, new crank gear, new gasket set, new oil pump, new water pump, new front tires... my dad has been collecting parts to have me replace on it while I have it tore apart... figured might as well do it all at once... so we'll see what the flywheel looks like when I get it split apart, might get a new one of those too as it sounds like that might be a common part to fail according to a coworker that just brought his dad/grandpa's old ford home and is going to have to replace it on his old 8N.
 
Back to top
View user's profile
rininger85
Regular


Joined: 20 Jan 2018
Posts: 26


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:35 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

just some pics I had on my phone of the old girl in various stages of undressing.
















 
Back to top
View user's profile
rininger85
Regular


Joined: 20 Jan 2018
Posts: 26


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I took pics of wires as I pulled them to try to remember what goes where on the distributor =)



 
Back to top
View user's profile
showcrop
Tractor Guru


Joined: 13 Dec 2000
Posts: 21660
Location: Chester NH

Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

rininger85 wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:09:46 10/08/1Cool
if I do ever get this thing running again it'll be with a bunch of new parts... I have a new cam shaft, new cam gear, new crank gear, new gasket set, new oil pump, new water pump, new front tires... my dad has been collecting parts to have me replace on it while I have it tore apart... figured might as well do it all at once... so we'll see what the flywheel looks like when I get it split apart, might get a new one of those too as it sounds like that might be a common part to fail according to a coworker that just brought his dad/grandpa's old ford home and is going to have to replace it on his old 8N.


Rininger, while you have it split you will want to renew your rear main seal as well as transmission input seal, clutch release bearing and pilot bearing. When you split it do it the safe way using a HoboNC rear housing support, blocking the front and rolling the rear.
 
Back to top
View user's profile
rininger85
Regular


Joined: 20 Jan 2018
Posts: 26


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

showcrop wrote:

Rininger, while you have it split you will want to renew your rear main seal as well as transmission input seal, clutch release bearing and pilot bearing. When you split it do it the safe way using a HoboNC rear housing support, blocking the front and rolling the rear.


Rear main as in crankshaft bearing? I'm not planning on doing anything with the crank. I did finally manage to split the tractor today and got the old cam out. The rear cam gear (hydraulic gear) is missing a tooth so need to replace it while I have it out and the clutch plate is pretty worn so going to replace that while it's apart.

I made a lot of progress today, was hoping to put it back together tomorrow but now need more parts...
 
Back to top
View user's profile
rininger85
Regular


Joined: 20 Jan 2018
Posts: 26


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:58 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The new cam shaft is slightly different, the old one the gear was held on with a washer and bolt, the new one is a tight fit and has a groove on the end I'm assuming for a retaining clip. The new is a little longer, but probably no longer once you add the washer and bolt, so hopefully it's still going to work.







 
Back to top
View user's profile
rininger85
Regular


Joined: 20 Jan 2018
Posts: 26


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Oops it posted one of the pics twice and didn't post the third pic I tried uploading but it was another of the cam. The oil pump gear is not quite as wide on the new cam either but hopefully it's not an issue.
 
Back to top
View user's profile
TinCan
Regular


Joined: 14 Sep 2017
Posts: 354
Location: Deer Lodge, TN

Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:45 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Just be glad it's not a 172 diesel! I only know to well! You can buy a new cam, I couldn't.

Did you bend any push rods, or valves? When the cam stops, the crank doesn't!

I had a '70 dodge 383, I turned it off after a 150 trip. Came back to start it, the timing gear let go (fiber), just trying to start it. It bent 12 push rods, 8 valves, and one rod. Just trying to start it.

Pat
 
Back to top
View user's profile
rininger85
Regular


Joined: 20 Jan 2018
Posts: 26


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

TinCan wrote:
(quoted from post at 16:45:56 11/14/1Cool
Just be glad it's not a 172 diesel! I only know to well! You can buy a new cam, I couldn't.

Did you bend any push rods, or valves? When the cam stops, the crank doesn't!

I had a '70 dodge 383, I turned it off after a 150 trip. Came back to start it, the timing gear let go (fiber), just trying to start it. It bent 12 push rods, 8 valves, and one rod. Just trying to start it.

Pat


I hope not... I don't want to replace anything else on this thing. We have started putting it back together... Cam lifters are back in place, new cam shaft is in. Need to go get bolts for the hydraulic gear to bolt onto the cam... Which by the way I don't know if I mentioned it but the gear was missing a tooth when I got it out, which didn't matter since the new cam shaft doesn't match the old cam shaft we had to buy a new hydraulic gear anyways... Once I get bolts tonight I can put that fear back on and be on my way.

We replaced the clutch plate and retainer since the engine was split off, and put a new bearing on the back shaft but not messing with the smaller bearing which I assume goes in the block (unless there is something I haven't come across yet...not messing with the crank so not replacing that bearing if it is for the rear of the block).

Have cam shaft retainer back in place. A few bolts and we should be able to put the two halves back together.

I'm looking up torque specs and I cannot find any method for how to tighten the rocker bolts that the push rods touch... It is just the screw head then a retaining nut... Can anyone advise me how to tighten those properly? Since it's a screw not a bolt do I need to employ feeler gauges or something? The service manual I'm looking at either doesn't tell me what I'm looking for or is in language I'm not understanding.
 
Back to top
View user's profile
rininger85
Regular


Joined: 20 Jan 2018
Posts: 26


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Oh I think I found it... Tappet gap 0.014-0.016 so feeler gauge on the valve stem side and I'm assuming you measure some at TDC and others at another point? Or what?
 
Back to top
View user's profile
JMOR
Tractor Guru


Joined: 13 Aug 2007
Posts: 22895


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:26 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

rininger85 wrote:
(quoted from post at 17:00:43 11/16/1Cool
Oh I think I found it... Tappet gap 0.014-0.016 so feeler gauge on the valve stem side and I'm assuming you measure some at TDC and others at another point? Or what?
each valve is set when fully closed and lifter is on heel of cam.
 
Back to top
View user's profile
rininger85
Regular


Joined: 20 Jan 2018
Posts: 26


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:45 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Well I'm hoping we have everything pretty much back together. I hope we got the thing timed right but didn't read ahead to see how to time it was based on the flywheel markings, can't read the markings on the flywheel well enough to know if I hit 31 BTDC or not.

The tappets are hopefully all spaced properly.

Found another broken part... The alternator mounting bracket was broke some time ago because it was full of grease and grime in the crack. So we could put it back together how it was but I'm going to order a new mounting bracket they are cheap.

I think the only other thing that is keeping the tractor from running now is the battery is shot, it was getting bad before but will have to pick up a new one.

We swapped the two front tires today so it has new rubber and tubes.

Still need to put the skin back on but I'm going to run wires to add lights before we do that.

 
Back to top
View user's profile
rininger85
Regular


Joined: 20 Jan 2018
Posts: 26


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:02 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 Ford NAA Jubilee died need help Reply to specific post Reply with quote


It's alive!!! Got the new alternator bracket yesterday. Installed it today then went back to trying to time the thing... Once I tinkered for a bit I realized what I messed up... I couldn't find the timing marks that had angles noted because I went to TDC then looked for the marks, so I just tried installing the distributor at TDC. I read the book again and it said to turn until #1 just starts to come up on compression then look for 31 degrees BTDC (before TDC). Then I was able to find the marks and put the distributor in and it fired right up.

I did realize I need one more part though, I broke the oil pressure line when I split the case, and I didn't know that oil pressure is read based on pumping oil up the oil pressure line. So I had oil spewing out the oil pressure line. For now I jammed a finishing nail in the line until I can order a new line to replace it. I had also discovered the engine rpm gauge had quit working because of a broken cable when I was tearing it apart before, so I need to order a new one of those too...

And I broke the exhaust pipe when I split the case, I found an exhaust piece I could get a pretty tight fit over it just need some clamps and maybe wrap it to keep exhaust from leaking in front of me and making me stink every time I run it.

I still need to put the hood back on but I'm going to run wires for lights front and back before I put the hood back on because it has not had lights since it was converted to 12v.

I rode the tractor around the yard a few times and went and hooked on to the box blade that had been sitting in the back field all year and the hydraulics are incredibly responsive compared to what I remember so not sure if that was due to the tooth missing off the back cam gear or a bubble in the lines or just that it's not as cold right now as it was when the tractor died, but anyway it's back to working now!

Total repair:
New cam shaft
New cam shaft front gear
New cam shaft rear gear
New crankshaft gear
New clutch disc (did it just because the case was already split)
New clutch plate (did it just because the case was already split)
New clutch bearings (did it just because the case was already split)
New alternator mounting bracket
Bunch of new gaskets
New water pump (not needed, just did it since it was cheap and already apart)
 
Back to top
View user's profile
:   
Post new topic    Yesterday's Tractors Forum Index -> Ford All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Page 3 of 4

 
Jump to:  

TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
Fast Shipping!  Most of our stocked parts ship within 24 hours (M-Th). Expedited shipping available, just call! Most prices for parts and manuals are below our competitors. Compare our super low shipping rates! We have the parts you need to repair your tractor. We are a company you can trust and have generous return policies. Shop Online Today or call our friendly sales staff toll free (800) 853-2651. [ About Us ]

YT Home  |  Forums

Modern View Forum powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters