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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 5000 Super Major Reply to specific post Reply with quote


This drawing is interesting in the fact that (1) It does not have an anchor point for the STOP cable in the drawing. The cable goes into the arm at the bottom...mine has an anchor point and the arm is attached to the shaft and then goes up, not down. Also this pic shows a bleed screw to the left under injector 4. There is also a bleed screw under injector 1. I bleed the one on the right first, then the one on the left...but in looking and thinking....as the fuel comes in from the line that comes from the fuel filter it goes past the first and onto the one that the arrow is pointing to....this left screw is indented and different than the one on the left. I would think that the bleed action would need to be performed on the left and not the right.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 5000 Super Major Reply to specific post Reply with quote

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Removed SIM Injector pump "valve / front cover from pump and all looked good inside...not rusty or dry. But, when cranking the engine the 2nd spring thing was not going up and down like the others. 1 2 3 4 from seat to radiator and number 2 was just looking at me.Please advise. Tks

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that one of the plungers is stuck.
If I am right, it will be stuck in the UP position and is not coming down.
We have this problem a lot in Australia dew to having a lot of wax in the fuel.
After the engine has been stood for some time, only the wax is left and the element gets stuck.
If the element is stuck, it will jam the rack, if the rack is in the stop position you wont get any fuel.
So question? With the side plate off , can you move the rack freely backward and forward (to the front and to the rear)
With the engine stood( not running) the rack should want to go to the back of the motor, this is full rev posion
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 5000 Super Major Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Interesting what you say this tractor has set for a few years yes 2nd plunger from the steering wheel is stuck and not going up or down number one three and four from the steering wheel are going up and down when I take the cover off of The Sims pump I can see there's two nut holders that hold the cover on but can be removed behind them there is a rack of sorts do I need to spray this and try to manipulate it back and forth until it goes to the rear then check it and it should possibly all plungers work and then fuel will come? Is this rack moved forward and rearward by the stop cable, or by the throttle cable?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 5000 Super Major Reply to specific post Reply with quote

gandl2123 wrote:
Is this rack moved forward and rearward by the stop cable, or by the throttle cable?

The rack is moved by the governor.
If the rack dosnt move freely, don’t force it.
You didn’t say if you could move the rack, I assume you cant.
First thing to do
Get the engine in a position where any one of the free plungers is in the UP position (spring compressed)
Then try and get the stuck one in to the down position.
Try tapping it down somehow, be careful not to damage any thing.
If you can get a pair of pliers around the spring, then tap the pliers down
You could try tapping a screwdriver between the spring coils at the top of the spring, not the bottom
If you get it down, turn the engine over and it will jam in the up position again.
Keep repeating the process until in goes up and down freely.
Once it moves up and down freely, the rack will be free
Make sure the injector lines are cracked so the engine dosnt start.
As I said in a previous post, Don’t start the engine until you have cheeked that the stop works
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:40 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 5000 Super Major Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Awesome I think I have a plan now and I'm thinking that the rod is stuck because of the actuator at the bottom of the spring probably so I will do as you say I will rotate the engine by hand with the decompression lever off until I get one of the Springs up I think I actually can get three of them up at the same time then I will try to very carefully use some Degreaser WD-40 or something and try to loosen that valve up and then see if the rack will move spraying inside both ends of the shaft should be fun. I absolutely love doing this stuff to this old tractor and can't wait to hear her first words in a long time. Lol. Thanks for your help I really appreciate it there are also a couple of good videos on YouTube that show this rack and the relationship to the springs and the actuators.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 5000 Super Major Reply to specific post Reply with quote


I actually remember about a month ago and my dad cracked the injectors and we saw a fuel seeping out of each injector so this stuck maybe a recent stuck and it should not be that hard to fix
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:06 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 5000 Super Major Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I think I actually can get three of them up at the same time
if you can do that, then you really have BIG problems, haha
I thought too, that it might have just jammed.
When the engine is stationary, the fuel rack is in the full fuel position.
So when it dries out and jams, it is in full fuel position.
It sounds to me that someone has pulled the stop and it has been free enough to move
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:10 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 5000 Super Major Reply to specific post Reply with quote

the elements
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:06 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 5000 Super Major Reply to specific post Reply with quote


I'm going to look at it this afternoon so I should have an update I might make a small video and somehow get it on the tractor site. Can short videos be posted here? I'm going to be very very careful and use carb cleaner and try to get things that are stuck free and get the rack moving then lubricate change the oil in the pump itself see if I can get some fuel squirting.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 5000 Super Major Reply to specific post Reply with quote

. I'm having a problem uploading the pictures but I'm going to keep trying. I was able to get the rack moving back and forth very easily also when the cable is pushed in that is the stop cable the rack moves all the way rearward. But while quick in the tractor I can clearly see that the second plunger from the seat is actually stuck in the down position. I also noticed that I am getting diesel fuel squirting out of the high pressure lines near the injectors out of some of the lines.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 5000 Super Major Reply to specific post Reply with quote

knares wrote:
(quoted from post at 01:00:45 03/09/1Cool
gandl2123 wrote:
Is this rack moved forward and rearward by the stop cable, or by the throttle cable?

The rack is moved by the governor.
If the rack dosnt move freely, don’t force it.
You didn’t say if you could move the rack, I assume you cant.
First thing to do
Get the engine in a position where any one of the free plungers is in the UP position (spring compressed)
Then try and get the stuck one in to the down position.
Try tapping it down somehow, be careful not to damage any thing.
If you can get a pair of pliers around the spring, then tap the pliers down
You could try tapping a screwdriver between the spring coils at the top of the spring, not the bottom
If you get it down, turn the engine over and it will jam in the up position again.
Keep repeating the process until in goes up and down freely.
Once it moves up and down freely, the rack will be free
Make sure the injector lines are cracked so the engine dosnt start.
As I said in a previous post, Don’t start the engine until you have cheeked that the stop works


Ok. I've been in the belly of the beast. The rack was freed when it was first touched after the cover was removed. Goes back and forth fine. The Stop cable operates the arm on the pump and when the cable is pushed all the way in the rack is pushed all the way to the rear. Pushing the rod or opening/pulling the cable out to the start position does not move the rack forward. I guess it is free to have the governor do that when tractor is cranked.

Upon inspection you stated the the rack would be free if I could get the plunger unstuck...well, three of the four plungers are in the up position and the rack was going back and forth left and right. The 2nd plunger is stuck partially down. I'm going to go out after I have sprayed earlier in the afternoon and I'm going to try as you stated to push down on the flange/spring assemble as carefully as I can to get it to move downward in its bore. If I can budge it down (as I have not been able to get it up at all, I will then spray and try to move up, then down, then up until I can get it moving freely like the others.

When I crank the engine with cover off I can see each of the plungers (except for the 2nd one that is stuck) moving in a timing / firing fashion but the 2nd one just sits there and does not move up or down. I'm going to make my mission to get this one unstuck and hope that restores fuel flow.

I think this old starter is getting warn out. She is really starting to crank slower and slower even with two battery's and decompression off. I'm really hoping it starts soon before I have to buy a starter and an injection pump. Wey too much $$ to spend on this old tractor. ha. Tks
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 5000 Super Major Reply to specific post Reply with quote

i am lost, i have never had a stuck plunger and a free rack
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 5000 Super Major Reply to specific post Reply with quote

the camshaft should push it all the way up
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 5000 Super Major Reply to specific post Reply with quote


I'm going to try and post a picture I want you to look at the picture good I actually can see where the second plunger during one of my photographs is in the up position you can see all kind of crud on it but you can tell that it's the same level as the other plungers. Now it was down and I cannot move it at all I have not tried to rotate the engine to get these to move but I have seen as the engine is cranking the second one is not moving. But yes you understood correctly the rack is moving freely back and forth when I move the stop cable but the plunger number 2 is stuck in the down position.

 
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