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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:09 am    Post subject: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Anybody know where I can see a vid on a hay bailers wire tying mech in operation. Preferably Case 140 W, and preferably SLOW lol. But, at this stage, I aint picky.
As I envision it in my mind, the needle brings in the wire to the tying mech and backs out leaving it there in a U shape. one leg of that U is in the knives which cut it so that its in a I on one side and a J on the other.
I read once that in operating the 140 W Bailer (That if you are going to bale with the 140, put the hay to it). Or something like that. That tells me, that Case intended, as part of the tie operation that the wires should be continually moving downwards in the chamber with the bale. I cant imagine or figger that one out in my mind just setting here and trying to figure out why it wont tie, and why it keeps wrapping the wire around the shafts holding the fingers, just hand cycling it without no hay in the chamber.
Any help will be GREATLY appreciated.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote


You're partially correct as when needle brings wire up from the bottom the end of the wire with the "u shape" that has been cut by the knife is held in gripper not the knife.

Is you baler experiencing wire tying problems? If so what type of problem?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You have to have hay in it to properly tie. Or,pull a loop of wire ,hold it secure with a bar across the chamber.It will not tie without hay or something to create a loop in the wire.It has to have something to tie around.Did you check the knives/anvils? The wire must be crisply cut.If not it tears,wraps,balls up.......... Look up Wire tie knotters(twisters);wire tie baler,or something like that on Utube.Utube is full of such videos.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The wire wraps around the twister finger rod. Im getting a repair book Mon hopefully. I need to know where the twister fingers are supposed to rest. I need to know where the rod below the twister finger rod is supposed to be set.
I can feel grooves on a block of metel that is, or is part of the cutting system.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I went 20 pages on U Tubes looking for something to do with the wire tie mech. I typed in as a heading (Wire tie mech repair on hay bailers.) 90% had to do with twine knotters, other than stationery bailers that used wire.
I felt the top of a block of steel that had grooves in it, that was on the cutting side of things.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That could be your problem. the groove lets the wire fall 'away' from the knife. the knife may be grooved,too. In that case,the wire is getting 'smeared',not cleanly cut.In my experiences,the wire not getting cleanly cut is 90% of the wire tying problems.The twister/hook may be also grooved. Grooveing is NOT your friend.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:50 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote


IIRC JI Case wire sq balers have an adjustable rod next to twister shaft similar to NH wire balers. I personally don't know the correct method for setting this rod but I would guess similar to NH wire balers.

Ditto groove on twister hook or twister shaft can hang wire. The point of twister hook on JD wire balers should be directly under gripper arm pivot bolt when in home position. But if wire is hanging I have backed hook up a little to the RH side of tying system.

IMHO the baling wire made today isn't near as oily as it was back in the 60's-80's so I always pour oil on the wire in the boxes
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Groovy, lol.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don't know what a gripper arm pivot bolt is. I pour a qt of oil 1/2 over each box each year.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:43 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Blue arrow points to gripper pivot bolt hole.


 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:15 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have the rod that holds the twister hook, and the hook,. My hook ends up at a point. but that's it.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote


I couldn't locate the JI Case 140 parts catalog so I posted NH parts but all small sq balers are similar. Key 9 in my photo is the gripper arm that moves from side to side that gripper/knife(key 8) attaches to. Point of twister hook(key 17) should set under hole with blue arrow pointing at it when tying system is in home position

photo from JD parts catalog

 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Don't see a Key 8 or 9, NOR no blue arrow. I have something called an anvil, which I believe grips the wire. What it grips the wire against, I don't know. I may have to take the anvil s out and have them welded in and smoothed out again as they have grooves in them.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Farmallb wrote:
(quoted from post at 16:31:32 03/09/18) Don't see a Key 8 or 9, NOR no blue arrow.


So you can't view the photos I posted Correct?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Viewed them perfectly. There was NO #8 OR 9. I didn't see an arrow, blue or otherwise, as all was in black.
 
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