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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 8:41 am    Post subject: 135 Split Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Ok after tearing down the motor to find out what made it stop abruptly then figuring out its in the trans because when i push the clutch in the motor will turn over. I put the motor back together and pushing the clutch in it will start so i could lift the bucket and tow the tractor into my coverall so i can work on it. I can see though the fill hole i have a Multipower issue due to cracking in the Multipower clutch. I don't know thats what stopped it but I know it has to be fixed. I got it split at the gearbox now i have to remove the lift cover so I can get the rear split done.



I found these clip pieces in between the engine/trans. Any ideas?



Also the clutch finger bolts seem to have quite a bit of wear I think?



And is this normal for these to be worn off?



The outer shaft rotates freely in neutral. The inner shaft does not. I assume its connected to my problem.


 
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: 135 Split Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Clutch bolts show normal wear. Looks like part of a broken coil spring, maybe from the clutch assembly. The transmission needs the shift/steering box removed so the MP supply line can be disconnected before the transmission can be removed from the diff case, for tear down and repair..
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:49 am    Post subject: Re: 135 Split Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hello,
It looks like there are some major issues in the clutch unit. I would agree with DT that the wear on the adjusting bolt heads is normal. If the bolts are the same ones as used on UK tractors there cannot be more than a thread or two holding them in the release arms. Ideally they should be in the depth of the arm. Another problem is why have the release arms worn the rivets away? This is normally due to excessive travel of the arms before the PTO clutch plate is released. The cause of this will be down to several possibilities; major wear in the links between the main clutch pressure plate and the outer end of the release arms major play in the pin holes in the clutch cover, wear on the pivot pins or in the release arm pivot points. The height of the bolt face which contacts the release bearing is not critical but all three being the same height is. I would suggest that you investigate this before reassembly.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 1:42 pm    Post subject: Re: 135 Split Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Dieseltech wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:56:18 05/08/1Cool Clutch bolts show normal wear. Looks like part of a broken coil spring, maybe from the clutch assembly. The transmission needs the shift/steering box removed so the MP supply line can be disconnected before the transmission can be removed from the diff case, for tear down and repair..


The part is too small to be the clutch springs. Its about the size of the wire springs but they are intact and appear newish.

I need to remove the lift cover so i can disconnect the multipower hoses before separating the shift/steering box from the diff case correct?


 
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject: Re: 135 Split Reply to specific post Reply with quote


The bolts extend most of the way through the arms. Here's a pic showing how far it was in.



The back side of the arms feels undamaged. I'm thinking that may be old damage to the rivets. The arms don't have alot of play. It looks like the arms are newer.



The clutch works great but... I know the pto is a pain to get it to engage the first time. After its been engaged once it seems to work fine. I haven't gone through the adjustment procedure to see if that would fix the problem. I was told the last owner didn't use the pto either so i'm thinking he replaced the clutch but didn't adjust to get the pto working properly? I've seen several things that indicate someone has been working on this that is pretty rough.
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: 135 Split Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The release bolts have normal wear. Reason the PTO disc rivets are worn is due to the release levers traveling too far forward, usually from the PTO release gap being too large, so the pedal clamp on the shaft is then incorrectly set. .080 PTO release gap works well, then if pedal free play is set right, push the pedal SLOWLY while watching the PTO shaft in gear and turning. PTO should stop with pedal about one inch above the step plate, and NEVER start again with pedal clear down. If it does, that's when the release levers are making contact with the disc rivets and turning the disc again. INCREASE the pedal free play will stop the problem. Lift cover DOES NOT have to be removed for MP oil line access for the trans/diff split, line can be removed at the front AFTER the shift cover is off. MP oil line can be removed at either end, depending on what is being repaired..
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 9:40 pm    Post subject: Re: 135 Split Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Clutch assembly:


Bob...Mf FE 35 X 3 cylinder Perkins Diesel...




 
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: 135 Split Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Dieseltech wrote:
(quoted from post at 18:19:12 05/08/1Cool The release bolts have normal wear. Reason the PTO disc rivets are worn is due to the release levers traveling too far forward, usually from the PTO release gap being too large, so the pedal clamp on the shaft is then incorrectly set. .080 PTO release gap works well, then if pedal free play is set right, push the pedal SLOWLY while watching the PTO shaft in gear and turning. PTO should stop with pedal about one inch above the step plate, and NEVER start again with pedal clear down. If it does, that's when the release levers are making contact with the disc rivets and turning the disc again. INCREASE the pedal free play will stop the problem. Lift cover DOES NOT have to be removed for MP oil line access for the trans/diff split, line can be removed at the front AFTER the shift cover is off. MP oil line can be removed at either end, depending on what is being repaired..


Can I set the release gap while its split? I obviously dont want to put it all back together then split it again if possible.

My repair manual said i have to remove the lift cover to disconnect the mp oil line to do the split. Crap. I have it ready to lift off.

I do i need the shift cover off? That means the steering wheel / dash has to come off correct? Hopefully I can lift off the cover/steering box etc as a assembly if that does need to be done?

I'm going to have everything disassembled but the vin tag at this rate lol.
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: 135 Split Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Is that the same as a 135 clutch? Thanks for the info!
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: 135 Split Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes, the trans/steering cover MUST come off. If you like, call my cell some evening, 574 835 3292, I'm on eastern time. Older MF mechanic..
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: 135 Split Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Ok thanks I'll try and call you tonight. I have a guy coming to help get the lift cover off tonight. The seal is broken so I need to remove it to reseal at least.
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: 135 Split Reply to specific post Reply with quote

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Is that the same as a 135 clutch?

rkelman....I would certainly trust someone like "Dieseltech" and or "Ptfarmer" to answer your question with certainty:


Bob....MF FE 35 X
 
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 6:40 am    Post subject: Re: 135 Split Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Got my split completed and found the problem. Which we suspected was the multipower clutch pack. The stress cracks made it fall apart and This big ring was stuck in the gears.




 
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