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M-MAN
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:58 am    Post subject: Mig wire Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Haven't had a lot of mig experience like a lot of you fellers so I was wondering if wire brand makes a difference? My old one let the smoke out so I picked up a Hobart 190 to play with. Mostly I will be using 23 wire with an argon mix but I want to play with the 30 flux core just to see what it will do on thinner metal.

I have an old Idealarc 250 stick that welds sweet for the heavier stuff. I prefer stick but for some things the mig comes in handy.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: Mig wire Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I dont buy a roll of wire but every 3 years but the last one of .023 i got from tractor supply and it must have need undersized. I seemed to have to turn up the wire speed more than normal. At least its sold by the pound. Blue demon seems to me a good enough brand for what i do.

That flux core works real well if you need to stick some galvanized together or other dirty steel. That has been the only time I have used it.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:22 am    Post subject: Re: Mig wire Reply to specific post Reply with quote

M-MAN,If you all ready have .023 wire and 75/25 argon mix gas that is the best setup for thin or thick steel.You just need heaver wire .030 for thicker steel. .You don't want flux cored wire so if I were you don't even waste money on flux core wire as it don't weld near as good as argon mix .
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: Mig wire Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I understood the question to be if there's a difference between wire. Some will say no and they buy wire and tools from Harbor Freight. Others will say yes and they buy wire and tools from Northern Tool. I say you get what you pay for.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Mig wire Reply to specific post Reply with quote

wire quality can and does vary from brand to brand.
Especially the made in china no name stuff versus the made any where else name brand stuff.

A really good use for fluxcore is for what needs to be welded right now, outside the shop on a breezy day.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Mig wire Reply to specific post Reply with quote

i buy Lincoln wire , i personally like it , i have tried others , i use the flux core wire on one machine and the argon mix on another machine , but its Lincoln for me.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Mig wire Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'm learning too. I have a HF 151 240v and learned that .030 solid core works better than .035, even on thicker material with gas. Use the cheap TSC mix. Haven't tried .023. I started with a 115v TSC Farmhand 75 with flux wire and it's sloppy.....lots of hit and miss. The gas on thin metal just makes for a smooth job for me, nice smooth interfaces, smooth surfaces, little to no splattering, minimum slag.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Mig wire Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I worked in the R&D lab at Lincoln for several years and tested tons of MIG wire. There are a lot of variables. Some feed very poorly which affects arc stability. Some do not have any surface lubricant. Some use a coating that doubles as a lube and arc stabilizer. Find one you like and stick with it.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Mig wire Reply to specific post Reply with quote

There is a lot of difference in wires. Buy good stuff from a good welding supply store. I made the mistake of buying from an auto parts store last time and I'm not sure that roll will make it til it's gone. I buy Lincoln if I can.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Mig wire Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'm a Lincoln man. Like their machines and wire. Keep 30 on both machines, one loaded with flux core and the other straight wire. I use 75/25 gas.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Mig wire Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The house brand solid wire from the Airgas welding store is labeled Radnor and made in China. Welds exactly the same as Chinese wire from ebay that costs less than half the price.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Mig wire Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-M-MAN wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:58:33 07/06/1Cool Haven't had a lot of mig experience like a lot of you fellers so I was wondering if wire brand makes a difference? My old one let the smoke out so I picked up a Hobart 190 to play with. Mostly I will be using 23 wire with an argon mix but I want to play with the 30 flux core just to see what it will do on thinner metal.

I have an old Idealarc 250 stick that welds sweet for the heavier stuff. I prefer stick but for some things the mig comes in handy.


one thing I'll recommend...ESAB Automation 130PS43 Spoolarc Easy Grind MIG Wire; 0.023 .. (google that phrase) it's made by ESAB and does indeed grind easier than regular mig wire... I keep .023 in my little Hobart Handler machine and .030 in my Millermatic 200... if your doing light panel work that needs finish grinding I recommend it... it also resists cracking when doing hammer work after the weld.'

john
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Mig wire Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If you think you are going to need some wire or rod,get it bought,price went up again this week plus the tariff surcharge. (we are at $24.00 a ticket right now.)
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:08 am    Post subject: Re: Mig wire polarity Reply to specific post Reply with quote

All the talk of mig flux core wire welder gas no gas and no one, not a soul reflects on the polarity requirements between the different wire feed process'

FCAW
and
GMAW

require 2 different polarities and require the big electrical connections inside the machine be switched
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:49 am    Post subject: Re: Mig wire Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks for the comments guys. I appreciate it. The old mig didn't really have the ump for flux core so I never tried it. That's what I want to experiment with mainly. Just to see how it does and if it's acceptable performance wise.

Yes I know the polarity needs to be switched and Hobart made it pretty easy on this machine. (Course it would be nice if it had a switch like the old Idealarc). That welder is what got me to thinking about wire quality and performance on the mig. The difference between welding with a good buzz box and that old Idealarc is like night and day.
 
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