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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:59 am    Post subject: Re: Doubt I can get this BGS-H Cletrac running... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-oliver90owner wrote:
(quoted from post at 02:46:04 11/16/1Cool While Cletrac engines can be a problem for spares (more particularly the oil burners, I think), it is usually the undercarriage which is the
expensive part, if completely shot. This one does not look too bad, and anything can be rectified, but this can be the expensive part of restoring
a crawler to tip-top running condition.


I would get power to the starter motor and check that oil pressure can be raised (without spark plugs in place) before trying to start the engine.


Okay, I hooked power to the starter, the engine spins freely! (with the plugs out of course)

I'll hook up an oil pressure gauge and see what I can find out.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Doubt I can get this BGS-H Cletrac running... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The rear sprockets looks pretty good, so I assume the tracks aren't too bad. Everything looks reasonably decent. I say it is worth fooling around with until you find something seriously wrong with it. As mentioned below, contact Landiss Zimmerman. He will steer you right. I redid a family OC-4 and got everything I needed from Mr. Zimmerman. He has a ton of parts around for Oliver/Cletrac. His brother also has a foundry where they cast some new parts.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Doubt I can get this BGS-H Cletrac running... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks. We're gettin somewhere. Have new plugs, new coil, I got spark at the plugs. And it's popin, I'd like to verify the firing order. Any one have a diagram?
 
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Doubt I can get this BGS-H Cletrac running... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Just about all straight six cylinders engine firing order is 15 36 24. Does it run if you spray some parts cleaner in the intake.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Doubt I can get this BGS-H Cletrac running... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-DNW in Mi wrote:
(quoted from post at 18:04:56 11/18/1Cool Just about all straight six cylinders engine firing order is 15 36 24. Does it run if you spray some parts cleaner in the intake.


It's cranks over, once in a while it'll pop. Yes I was spraying some starting fluid. I pulled the plugs multiple times and put a few drops of gas in each cylinder. I have my hand over the carb as a choke. But that's all I'm gettin. Tried for a few hours today...
 
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:58 am    Post subject: Re: Doubt I can get this BGS-H Cletrac running... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

mopardude318 wrote:
(quoted from post at 18:10:51 11/18/1Cool
CVPost-DNW in Mi wrote:
(quoted from post at 18:04:56 11/18/1Cool Just about all straight six cylinders engine firing order is 15 36 24. Does it run if you spray some parts cleaner in the intake.


It's cranks over, once in a while it'll pop. Yes I was spraying some starting fluid. I pulled the plugs multiple times and put a few drops of gas in each cylinder. I have my hand over the carb as a choke. But that's all I'm gettin. Tried for a few hours today...



It won't do anything until you rebuild the carb. You'll just be wasting time and even if it starts, you'll still have issues. Get a kit, run fuel from a bypass tank or something to get it going.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Doubt I can get this BGS-H Cletrac running... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

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It won't do anything until you rebuild the carb. You'll just be wasting time and even if it starts, you'll still have issues. Get a kit, run fuel from a bypass tank or something to get it going.


I took the carb apart and cleaned everything, but I didn't have a rebuild kit. I reused everything. That could be one of my problems I guess. Zimmerman mentioned forget this carb and buy a rebuilt Zenith from him for $270, since there's nothin available for the Tillotson.

I have another fuel source sittin on the hood as a gravity feed.


 
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Doubt I can get this BGS-H Cletrac running... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

have you taken a compression test of the cylinders yet to see what is going in side
 
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Doubt I can get this BGS-H Cletrac running... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-DNW in Mi wrote:
(quoted from post at 20:25:45 11/19/1Cool have you taken a compression test of the cylinders yet to see what is going in side

I'll do that first thing tomorrow and report back.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Doubt I can get this BGS-H Cletrac running... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

mopardude318 wrote:
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scootergmc wrote:



It won't do anything until you rebuild the carb. You'll just be wasting time and even if it starts, you'll still have issues. Get a kit, run fuel from a bypass tank or something to get it going.


I took the carb apart and cleaned everything, but I didn't have a rebuild kit. I reused everything. That could be one of my problems I guess. Zimmerman mentioned forget this carb and buy a rebuilt Zenith from him for $270, since there's nothin available for the Tillotson.

I have another fuel source sittin on the hood as a gravity feed.


Call these guys: http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/TrackitsC.htm#TracClet
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Doubt I can get this BGS-H Cletrac running... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Okay so I have some stuck valves. LOL. 0 psi on all cylinders except number 5, 80 psi. I pulled the intake/exhaust manifold and the head off. Think I'm gonna do a quick valve job. Nothin I cant handle.








 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: Doubt I can get this BGS-H Cletrac running... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Alright today I pressure washed the head and intake/exhaust manifold, then did a real quick bead blast job. Good enough. LOL

I cleaned the top of the block, pistons, wiped the bores out and wire wheeled everything. My father is coming over today with a valve spring tool so I can remove the valves. I'll bead blast those too. More to come.








 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Doubt I can get this BGS-H Cletrac running... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

So........from what I found out why it was parked, my wife's brother mentioned it needed planetary gears, or they were broken, or something of that matter, he couldn't remember exactly, but for sure had something to do with the planetary gears.

Are these something that could be rebuilt?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Doubt I can get this BGS-H Cletrac running... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

mopardude318 wrote:
(quoted from post at 17:56:26 11/22/1Cool So........from what I found out why it was parked, my wife's brother mentioned it needed planetary gears, or they were broken, or something of that matter, he couldn't remember exactly, but for sure had something to do with the planetary gears.

Are these something that could be rebuilt?


Planetaries? I doubt the gears themselves are bad. My guess would be if it's like the other Cletrac/Olivers, the bushings may be bad or the brake bands need relining.
 
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