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AJ.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: H60E transmission problems Reply to specific post Reply with quote

When you reply to a post delete everything in the box first to stop it repeating the replies,I just had a look over on Red Power and see no one has any idea yet,seeing this issue happened when parked it must be something simple,you say you can feel a jerk when you put it in gear so I would conclude from that it is going into gear so that eliminates everything up to the output,does the four wheel drive lever feel right if you move it,if you solve the issue please let us know what was the cause.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:10 am    Post subject: Re: H60E transmission problems Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I only feel the slight jerk when putting in 3rd gear first and second I don't feel anything. first and second will only barely move if I really rev It Up. I haven't looked in the book yet about the 4 wheel drive, but I don't see a lever in there anywhere so I have been assuming that it is full-time 4 wheel drive.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: H60E transmission problems Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You may be right it may not have a lever,those machines seem to be very scarce with no one seem to know of them usually on here there are some old timers like myself that are die hards,no machine ever left my place without been repaired,the trouble with this sort of problem is it may be inside and the only way to access it is tear it down,a labour intensive job,it would be ok to do that if the problem could be fixed,someone may come on that has had this mysterious failure.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:59 pm    Post subject: Re: H60E transmission problems Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We are going to test the pressures on the lube tubes going to the clutch packs next. We kind of feel like that is the last simple solution that it could be. although if it is a problem with the lube tubes within the transmission, it might not be that simple?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: H60E transmission problems Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We are going to test the pressures on the lube tubes going to the clutch packs next. We kind of feel like that is the last simple solution that it could be. although if it is a problem with the lube tubes within the transmission, it might not be that simple?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: H60E transmission problems Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We are going to test the pressures on the lube tubes going to the clutch packs next. We kind of feel like that is the last simple solution that it could be. although if it is a problem with the lube tubes within the transmission, it might not be that simple
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:07 am    Post subject: Re: H60E transmission problems Reply to specific post Reply with quote




 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:58 am    Post subject: Re: H60E transmission problems Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Maybe post that transmission number over at Red Power.

Seems unlikely to me that IH would have built one just especially for that model.

So might have used it in a dozer or something else as well
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: H60E transmission problems Reply to specific post Reply with quote



THE HOUGH H60E WAS NOTORIOUS AT BRAKING THE FLEXPLATE
ON THE TORQUE CONVERTOR. HOWEVER I AGREE THAT IT MOST LIKELY SOMETHING SIMPLER. LIKE A STUCK VALVE.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:32 am    Post subject: Re: H60E transmission problems Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Bob the board protocol considers upper case type to be shouting,just type normally.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: H60E transmission problems Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Okay we took the control valve apart again and there was trash in it. We cleaned it out and put it back on. We had 250 lb of pressure at the control control valve before we clean the trash out of it. Now we only have 150 lb of pressure at the control valve and we know it is clean and working properly now. We took the pump off a couple of weeks ago everything look good and clean inside of it. These pressures are when tractor is in neutral.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:35 am    Post subject: Re: H60E transmission problems Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Disregard the pressure numbers. My mind was exhausted as well as my body last night. I will give the correct complete update when I get with my brother and look at the numbers we have written down. Still not running
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: H60E transmission problems Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The 150psi I would guess may be a teeny bit low but should be plenty to give you drive,the pressure in neutral is created to charge the torque and push the oil through the cooler and filter it also should be enough to engage the clutches when selected and give you drive,see what reading you get from the clutches,if the clutches read good which I think they will because all could not fail at once,the IH boys I am surprised no one has come across a similar problem.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:19 am    Post subject: Re: H60E transmission problems Reply to specific post Reply with quote

let's just start over on my last post completely. Prior to finding the trash in the sequencing valve throttle valve control valve pressure the control valve pressure was 250. After clearing the throttle valve the sequencing valve pressure was 220 lb. This while this was reading while the gear was in neutral. When we shifted the first gear or second gear the control valve pressure drop down to 130 to 150 lb and would not rise back up. The operator manual or the shop manual calls for a clutch activation pressure of between 270 and 300 lb. There's a 100 lb pressure drop between the transmission filter and the control valve which there's only a 3 ft length of hose in between the two. That's why we think there's excessive flow to the control valve. I have been using sequence and valve and control valve interchangeably in this conversation. One correction there's about a foot-and-a-half of large-diameter hose in addition to the three foot of hose between the filter and the control valve pressure gauge.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:36 am    Post subject: Re: H60E transmission problems Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Sorry I can't be of more help but I think even with the low pressure there should be some attempt of drive,those machines would drive with the engine on low idle,I never like to find the machines are used without a service brake it puts a lot of strain on the transmission going from forward to reverse and vice versa to stop,can you identify any of the trash you found,if you do find the trouble please post the cause.
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