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W_B
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:29 pm    Post subject: Not a starting or running problem... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

... in fact just the opposite. We see many posts from folks with issues I had to brag a bit about some success.

Have an early production 8N that was standard front mount, 6V. Kept it attached to a manure spreader and ran it every 2-3 days. Battery was bad and wouldn't hold a charge so had to jump start it and a front tire would go flat after a week and one rear tire was low. The generator seemed to work but would get very, so hot you couldn't touch it. It had a newer VR but not sure it worked correctly. The manifold was leaking at #4 and the connection to the exhaust pipe had broken off. Rather than deal with the expense of correcting the 6V issues, I got a 12V conversion kit, and a manifold, from our hosts.

I swapped the 8N with 9N from the shed, pulled it up to the garage to work on it. Then had some health issues and it sat for almost a year and a half under a tarp.

To make a long story shorter, here is what I did:

Installed alternator and all new wiring (thanks to JMOR and his diagrams!)
New 12V battery (of course) and new positive cable.
New OEM resistor (had ordered it for the 9N but never installed it, so figured, why not use it).
12V bulbs in front lights and installed a rear work light I got at a sale.
New manifold (luckily, the leak was between the manifold and the gasket).
Cleaned carb (had been rebuilt about 2.5 yrs.ago) and cleaned fuel bowl.
Cleaned air cleaner and refilled oil.
Cleaned and adjusted the points, used 12V coil from kit.
New copper core plug wires and cleaned and checked gap on plugs.
Changed engine oil with new filter (had to make a new oil line from some left over brake line).
"Slimed" the front tire and repaired the valve on the rear so air could be added.

Proud to say it started right up, and with a little carb adjustment, it runs smooth. Alternator started charging instantly and even charges at low RPM, and no smoke released. So nice to uncover it, turn the gas on, turn the key, fire it up and go.

I suppose I have two reasons for this post: to thank everyone who chimes in when someone has a problem, I learned a tremendous amount from your helping others. It made my project go much better. Secondly, to those that have problems, many of your answers are already here.... take the time to look for them.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Not a starting or running problem... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

DANG, you "done good"!
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:47 am    Post subject: Re: Not a starting or running problem... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Switching to 12V is your prerogative, but you said your generator was getting "very hot" so that should have been a big clue something wasn't wired correctly. "..got a new VR but not sure if it worked..." -Why Not??? Replacing parts willy nilly isn't logical and then not verifying if they are working correctly is just plain unacceptable. You may be back up and running and no doubt 'accidentally' corrected the root cause problem in your switch-over, in this case I suspect mucked up wiring. I will buy your OEM generator -email is open.

Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:30 am    Post subject: Re: Not a starting or running problem... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My 52 8N has been 12 volt for about 15 years or more. Best thing I ever did. I did not buy a kit. I made an alternator bracket and put a cheap Delco alternator on it.
Tractor has been in the family since new and gets used all the time winter and summer. Will be using it later this week hauling firewood.
Richard in NW SC

 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:38 am    Post subject: Re: Not a starting or running problem... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

something a simple as polarizing my 6v genny fixed my charge probs, however i understand why n series owners convert to 12v and
am glad you are back in business!!!! i converted 2 to the 12 volt system i am now in the process of converting one back to the
6 volt system, your posts too will help someone in the future, thanks
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: Not a starting or running problem... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Good post W_B.
It shows initiative on your part.
It seems there's not enough of that in the
world anymore.
With an alternator on it you will likely
never have to touch your charging system
again other than to tighten the fan belt
once in a great while.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:38 am    Post subject: Re: Not a starting or running problem... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Gee, Tim, yet ANOTHER negative post on someone else's Happiness.... I guess it is YOUR way or the Highway... again.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Not a starting or running problem... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

W_B wrote:
no smoke released

Very Happy

Great post! Thanks for sharing!
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Not a starting or running problem... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Duey,Yep after he, Installed alternator and all new wiring (thanks to JMOR and his diagrams!)
Said it was a mucked up wiring job and all the other 12 volt negatives.
Then wants to buy his old generator for a dirt cheap price!
go figure
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Not a starting or running problem... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Den N Ms wrote:
(quoted from post at 23:30:11 12/03/1Cool Duey,Yep after he, Installed alternator and all new wiring (thanks to JMOR and his diagrams!)
Said it was a mucked up wiring job and all the other 12 volt negatives.
Then wants to buy his old generator for a dirt cheap price!
go figure


I expected some criticism on this point. Not likely bad wiring as it worked well for several years and had been rewired before i got it. Since this tractor is a worker and only 1 of 2 6V machines out of 8 on the property I wanted something a little more modern and compatible with the others, that worked when I need it to go. 6V batteries are getting harder to find and more and much more expensive. Don't even know of any shops in my area that could work on a genny. Wanted some nice bright lights too. Upshot is I wasn't interested in putting money into getting more life out of failing components.
 
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