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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: need different fluid than 303 for 9n Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Do you know the complaint was they didn't put on there labels it was to be used on tractors before 1975. I have used it on all my tractors. never had a problem. there new 303 oil does have the date on them. orchelns farm and home sells a lot of it.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:41 pm    Post subject: Re: need different fluid than 303 for 9n Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-pinball wrote:
(quoted from post at 17:03:54 10/09/19) Do you know the complaint was they didn't put on there labels it was to be used on tractors before 1975. I have used it on all my tractors. never had a problem. there new 303 oil does have the date on them. orchelns farm and home sells a lot of it.


That is just one part of the legal complaint. They also made a lot of performance/blending claims that they knew (or should have known) to be untrue and/or misleading. In other words they knowingly lied about the quality of the product. For example:
  • "Provides extreme pressure and anti-wear protection for tractor transmission, axles and hydraulic pump" In actuality the treat rate on EP additives is about half of what industry standards call for.
  • "Protects against rust and corrosion" Detergent and rust inhibitor treat rates are similarly low
  • Controlled frictional characteristics permit the wet brakes to hold properly, reduces brake chatter and provides for smooth engagement of power take-off (PTO) clutches." A total fabrication. It is demonstrably unsuitable for use with most wet brakes or clutches and actual equipment damage has resulted fromits use.
VOA reveals the presence of line wash, waste oils, and contaminants. If quality base oils are used it is in minuscule proportions. The incredibly low VI shown on the data sheet alone tells you that. Industry standrard testing shows the product does not even come close to matching the physical/chemical properties (notice I did not say OEM specifications) of a good quality generic (notice I did not say premium) UTTF. Its a free country and you can certainly use whatever you want but please understand why the price of the 303 fluids is what it is. In the near term the 303 is not going to kill an N-series or any of the older machines but it is far short of the short term performance and long term wear protection you can get in those machines for another $10/pail. JMO but I think the hard facts back it up.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:39 am    Post subject: Re: need different fluid than 303 for 9n Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Dang it you guys, now I'm being guilt-ed into actually using the cheap 303 I bought 2 yrs ago as the "Flush oil" I had bought it for.... Put it in a new to me basket case 3400 and got everything working right. I had meant to drain it and replace with a better fluid (premium UTF), 34hrs on the machine now and haven't done it.

I noticed the 9N with fresh 90wt from TSC is doing well but in winter it is SLOOOOOOOOW to warm up enough to be usable. Maybe it'll get some premium UTTF too.

Thanks for condensing the facts for us TOH, I didn't even need to call you this time. :)
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:47 am    Post subject: Re: need different fluid than 303 for 9n Reply to specific post Reply with quote

gears wrote:
(quoted from post at 06:39:31 10/10/19) Dang it you guys, now I'm being guilt-ed into actually using the cheap 303 I bought 2 yrs ago as the "Flush oil" I had bought it for.... Put it in a new to me basket case 3400 and got everything working right. I had meant to drain it and replace with a better fluid (premium UTF), 34hrs on the machine now and haven't done it.

I noticed the 9N with fresh 90wt from TSC is doing well but in winter it is SLOOOOOOOOW to warm up enough to be usable. Maybe it'll get some premium UTTF too.

Thanks for condensing the facts for us TOH, I didn't even need to call you this time. :)



Gears, as long as you keep working that 9N hard for 4-5 hours at least once a month you should be able to keep your UTF from loading up with moisture and doing damage.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:46 am    Post subject: Re: need different fluid than 303 for 9n Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yeah, the 9n only runs about 1/2hr at a time once a week or so. The 3400 is typically 20 minutes every few weeks.

I use them hauling firewood & dirt.

Last night the boys and I moved a batch of Cherry from the neigbor's fieldtreeline to our property to split later.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: need different fluid than 303 for 9n Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I use 134d and don?t give it a second thought.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:19 am    Post subject: Re: need different fluid than 303 for 9n Reply to specific post Reply with quote

gears wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:46:27 10/10/19) Yeah, the 9n only runs about 1/2hr at a time once a week or so. The 3400 is typically 20 minutes every few weeks.

I use them hauling firewood & dirt.

Last night the boys and I moved a batch of Cherry from the neigbor's fieldtreeline to our property to split later.


Gears, does the hydraulic oil get heated up good during that half hour?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:29 pm    Post subject: Re: need different fluid than 303 for 9n Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I doubt it, just digging some dirt or dragging wagons of firewood around. Haven't checked its condition since I flushed it and rebuilt the pump 2 yrs ago (maybe 4....) I'm putting checking it on this fall's to-do list.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:43 am    Post subject: Re: need different fluid than 303 for 9n Reply to specific post Reply with quote

gears wrote:
(quoted from post at 19:29:37 10/10/19) I doubt it, just digging some dirt or dragging wagons of firewood around. Haven't checked its condition since I flushed it and rebuilt the pump 2 yrs ago (maybe 4....) I'm putting checking it on this fall's to-do list.


Gears, if you really feel the need to use UTF and you aren't using the tractor enough to get it hot enough to clear the moisture out you can always change it whenever it gets milky. Check it frequently and don't forget to flush before refilling.
 
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