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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:32 am    Post subject: Tractor starting to smoke what to do ? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hello I recently noticed more smoke coming from my pipe . It always smoked a little when you first start it and depending on the weather it would kind of dissapear after you ran it for about 5 to 10 minutes . Although the weather has changed to colder and i have not ran it in a cuple weeks while getting my cylinder fixed it should not put out this thick lighter looking white smoke. A little history ... I have never changed the plugs, air filter, or added any gas treatment or oil additives. I did change the oild once about a year or so ago but I do not use this tractor much. There is one spark lug wire with a chack in it but i do not believe it jumps spark. Reason I never changed plugs or wires was because i did not know if i could find a match at auto zone or whatever you kind folks recommend. it runs good. its a gas engine. at times you can hear a lower knock but it may just sound like that . My question is what direction would you take to improve this smoking . I have a choke button that pulls out i use to help start it and i have a gravity fed gas line that i am going to switch to a 12 fuel pump soon thanks oh and this is a gas engine .





 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor starting to smoke what to do ? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If it is not loosing antifreeze/coolant, and the oil level uses about a quart for every 2 to 3 tanks of gasoline or less, run it as is. Do change the oil and
filter Do put new plug wires on it (solid copper, or spiral wound magnetic suppression, not carbon core). Do put new plugs in it. Do change the hydraulic and
transmission oil with correct specification lube, not 303 everything oil. Jim
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor starting to smoke what to do ? Reply to specific post Reply with quote


can i go to advance , auto zone , napa , or orielly with the plugs and wires and try to match it up ? i will not be able to find a oil filter for this either , when i broke the hydraulic filter canister if you remember i had to bypass it , i am going to install a universal filter like you showed me. what are spiral something wires copper wires. can you suggest an example? but i think i can figure out the other oils that it needs . tractor supply has some stuff.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor starting to smoke what to do ? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Is this a diesel engine ? I recommend Risolone to add to the oil. Run the tractor a number of hours with Risolone in it. The Risolone will unstick valves , rings and clean out gunk , then you can do an oil change. Lastly what grade of oil is in the crankcase ? A heavier oil formula may reduce smoking. Risolone won't hurt a thing and may solve part of your problem , but it doesn't sound to me to be a major concern. We had an old M that smoked white at idle but not when working and we had to add oil every few hours of hard pulling
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:15 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor starting to smoke what to do ? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Not sure why you would introduce a 12 volt fuel pump on a gravity fed fuel system. IMHO it will cause more problems than fix. If your fuel flow is too little then you more than likely have a blocked fuel line/filter/etc.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:24 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor starting to smoke what to do ? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

@ tony well the reason i may try to 12 volt fuel pump is because anytime i am on a sufficient incline where the front wheels are more or less then 2 or 3 feet off the ground the tractor shuts off. i have to come back later in the day or tommorrow to re start it
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:26 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor starting to smoke what to do ? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

@ micheal i second that , yes risloan is good i have used it multiple times during and in between oil changes on my personal vehicle and work truck
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:31 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor starting to smoke what to do ? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-michael soldan wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:55:44 11/08/19) Is this a diesel engine ? I recommend Risolone to add to the oil. Run the tractor a number of hours with Risolone in it. The Risolone will unstick valves , rings and clean out gunk , then you can do an oil change. Lastly what grade of oil is in the crankcase ? A heavier oil formula may reduce smoking. Risolone won't hurt a thing and may solve part of your problem , but it doesn't sound to me to be a major concern. We had an old M that smoked white at idle but not when working and we had to add oil every few hours of hard pulling


Mike it appears that it is gas because it has spark plugs and spark plug wires and Tony said in is OP that it has a gas engine.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:52 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor starting to smoke what to do ? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Every NAPA store can get the filters as needed. TSC may have stuff, but it might not have the correct stuff. Oil for a transmission and hydraulic system are special, not every day items. You came here to get information, we can only give you the best we have. If we compromise, we might give advice that allows the ruin of a serviceable tractor. We are addicted to the continued use and salvation of old equipment. We have, collectively, several thousand years of doing it properly. Jim
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:17 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor starting to smoke what to do ? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If the white smoke just came when the weather cooled down, it is normal as the water vapor shows up more in
the cold.If the coolant stays full, run it.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:55 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor starting to smoke what to do ? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Have you checked the oil level lately?

Possibly it is over full. It can be contaminated with hydraulic oil if there is a gear driven hydraulic or power steering pump, or if the gas was left on and the cab overflowed enough to back up into the engine. Also running too rich, running without a thermostat can raise the level.

I would go ahead and change the oil again, 15w-40 diesel oil (even though it is a gas engine) is a good choice. The new automotive gas engine oils are designed around emission control and roller cams, neither of which you need.

The oil filter can be matched by the number on the old one. Any auto supply should be able to get it or have it in stock.

The plugs can be matched at the auto supply, just bring one with you with a readable number.

Have you looked at the points? (if equipped) Check the gap, look at the condition. The auto supply probably can't provide them or the plug wires. Depends on the employee, but most won't or can't help. Best order them from this site or maybe Tractor Supply will have them.

"Spiral Core" wires are a type of conductor. They will be clearly labeled with a picture on the box, looks like a spring inside the wire. They are a good choice for wires.

About the fuel system, I assume it is now gravity fed. Unless it is having fuel problems, I would NOT add an electric pump. If you do, be sure it is a very low pressure pump, compatible with a carburetor. It would need to be in the 2-4 PSI range. Still better off without it. If it had a factory mechanical pump, go with that.

Does the gas tank have a working fuel shut off valve? If not, replace it, and make it a habit to turn it off every time when done.

Not being there to see the smoke makes it hard to determine exactly what you are seeing. It could be normal condensation, water vaporizing in the exhaust system. It could be oil smoke from leaking valve guides and/or rings. Could be coolant getting in a cylinder, especially if there is mystery coolant loss. Could be raw gas vapor from a misfire. Raw gas will smell like gas, eye burning and stinky. Rich gas will be black smoke.

As long as there are no bad symptoms, the smoke clears when warmed up, the coolant and oil stay at the proper level, then I would not be too concerned. But do your needed maintenance, just for peace of mind that it was done.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:07 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor starting to smoke what to do ? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

..ROFL..I need to read more carefully. I did read the post, then got looking at the pictures and being a gasser didn't register !
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor starting to smoke what to do ? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Steve how did the bolt job go? did you fix your 210 miller?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor starting to smoke what to do ? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Reading just the Subject, I couldn't resist a silly thought and answer coming to my mind! Feed it some Chantix like the Cold Turkey uses. LOL Sorry, don't mean this as offensive, just a little humor.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:51 am    Post subject: Re: Tractor starting to smoke what to do ? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-55 50 Ron wrote:
(quoted from post at 12:27:59 11/08/19) Reading just the Subject, I couldn't resist a silly thought and answer coming to my mind! Feed it some Chantix like the Cold Turkey uses. LOL Sorry, don't mean this as offensive, just a little humor.


thanks for all of you input and suggestions i appreciate it as always
 
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