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1965 Ford 3000 PTO engaging problem


 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:03 pm    Post subject: 1965 Ford 3000 PTO engaging problem Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I put on my 4' brush hog today to move it to a new location. For kicks i tried to engage PTO lever and i got a grinding noise. It did it with clutch in or out...didn't matter. You can shift gears ok with the engine running and the clutch seems to release ok. You can engage PTO lever with engine off and the start engine and the PTO shaft turns just fine.

What am i overlooking
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 1965 Ford 3000 PTO engaging problem Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Sounds like the clutch might be out of adjustment to me.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:12 pm    Post subject: Re: 1965 Ford 3000 PTO engaging problem Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Try to shorten the linkage from pedal to clutch lever. I think you'll find you have a 2 stage clutch and the linkage is adjusted such that the second stage is not being released/
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: 1965 Ford 3000 PTO engaging problem Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-curt cooke wrote:
(quoted from post at 21:12:47 11/08/19) Try to shorten the linkage from pedal to clutch lever. I think you'll find you have a 2 stage clutch and the linkage is adjusted such that the second stage is not being released/

I just did that Curt and i think that will take of it. Tomorrow i will try it out
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: 1965 Ford 3000 PTO engaging problem Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Transmission disc is getting to the point of replacement. The thickness of trans disc is crucial to pto being able to engage with engine running.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: 1965 Ford 3000 PTO engaging problem Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The second to last character in the model number will tell you what kind of PTO it has. The model number for a 1965 3000 should start with 310, then the next character would be a 1 for a diesel engine or a 2 for a gasoline engine. The next one would be a 2 for non-live PTO (single clutch), or a 3 for live PTO (double clutch). The last character tells you what transmission it has.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: 1965 Ford 3000 PTO engaging problem Reply to specific post Reply with quote

all the numbers i have Sean are in the pic below.... it's British
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: 1965 Ford 3000 PTO engaging problem Reply to specific post Reply with quote


 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:01 am    Post subject: Re: 1965 Ford 3000 PTO engaging problem Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Teaching Grandmother and sucking eggs comes to mind here but if
so, my apologise.

On those tractors you have a two position clevis on the clutch rod
at the clutch end. You have to move the pin to the rear most hole
for PTO work and the front hole for normal driving. I have driven
many miles when servicing those tractors, when sorting out
suspected clutch problems, only to find the pin in the wrong hole.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:27 am    Post subject: Re: 1965 Ford 3000 PTO engaging problem Reply to specific post Reply with quote

OK, let us know!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:56 am    Post subject: Re: 1965 Ford 3000 PTO engaging problem Reply to specific post Reply with quote


The piece on the clutch shaft has been broken and welded plus the stop bolt is broken off....

Can i pull the clutch shaft out without splitting the tractor? I'm sure the answer is NO but i thought i'd ask.
Also the clutch pedal comes up way too high. That whole left running board has been farmerized at some point.







 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: 1965 Ford 3000 PTO engaging problem Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Having the clutch pedal high is what you want for a two stage clutch and live PTO. If it's adjusted (or welded) that high and it's still not disengaging the PTO clutch when the pedal is pushed all of the way down, then either the PTO clutch is sticking or it needs to be replaced.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:57 am    Post subject: Re: 1965 Ford 3000 PTO engaging problem Reply to specific post Reply with quote

From your picture the clutch adjustment bolt in the lever has
been broken off allowing your clutch pedal too much movement and
your clevis pin is in the wrong hole, it should be in the second
hole for PTO work correctly.




This picture is of a Fordson Dexta but it is the same system.
Note the adjustment bolt for pedal height and the two holes in
the clevis.

You would need to split the tractor to get the shaft out as the
clutch release bearing fork is bolte to the shaft and there is a
big spring to release.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:46 pm    Post subject: Re: 1965 Ford 3000 PTO engaging problem Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have 5800 hrs on my '65 3000 Live, which I have owned for 20 years roughly, and have no idea as to when or if the PO changed the clutch; I haven't. Mine works fine but my pedal is up even
with the top of the tranny casting like yours to get PTO and ground activation/ disengagement where I want them. Surely something is worn but rather than tearing into something, that
does/could (if you are a magician with small hands) require splitting, on something working, I put up with having to raise my leg a little higher.
 
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