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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:23 pm    Post subject: Ford Frankentractor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

acquired a backhoe loader I was told it was an 800 series.
Indeed the stamp on the bell housing is 850, and it has a 5 speed tranny 1956 serial number. But the 850 was gas only? It has a 172ci 4 cyl diesel with block #CONN60151, which should be a 1960 10th modification. The frame + front cowling are from an industrial tractor, like a 1800 series or early 4000. It has an after market Elenco 4wd front end and the shaft out the left side of the rear to drive it, but the hoe mount interferes with that and it is not connected, and I do not have he parts. The loader is a 10-332 and the hoe is a 723, both of which I am told are 1960s. The 'customized' front rims (old truck trims?) hold 7.5x17 tires that are rare and expensive. What rims should be on a ford industrial? It is 12 V and has two solenoids one just for the heat plugs, is that normal? Generally the wiring is serviceable but messy, almost like two systems were merged. Previous owner started painting blue, but should be red? The blue stays for now, and I plan to paint the rest industrial yellow. Assuming only the transmission is an 850 5 speed, how can I find out what model is the front half and rear of this beast? Does the air cleaner go inside or outside of the hood?









 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford Frankentractor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Haves square hole below steering wheel? with 2 lites on dash was SOS . Yes 2 solenoids are used 1 to start and other for glow plugs.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford Frankentractor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes, hole below the steering wheel, thought it was missing a piece.
What is SOS?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford Frankentractor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Select-O-Speed. 10 speeds forward/2 Reverse. Early power shift trans.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford Frankentractor Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Those front rims look correct for the Elenco. The air cleaner would be outside of the hood. The early ones were right below the manifold while later ones were piped up the left side to above the hood. I think that it would look good in industrial yellow or Ford buff. That yellow that is on the wheels now is waaaaay too yellow. it looks like Deere.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford Frankentractor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Shaun Wallace wrote:
(quoted from post at 14:47:08 11/13/19) Select-O-Speed. 10 speeds forward/2 Reverse. Early power shift trans.


thanks! Why the square gap under the steering? dose the dash go with the 850 parts or the industrial diesel parts?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford Frankentractor Reply to specific post Reply with quote


those yellow wheels will be the first thing painted.
The centers of the front rims might be original, but they have been "modified"
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford Frankentractor Reply to specific post Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford Frankentractor Reply to specific post Reply with quote


I found a pic of a select o speed unit that goes in the rectangular space, but I do not have the planetary transmission, at least I don't see the adjustments on the side for it.
So the Selectospeed would have been on the industrial tractor originally before the 850 trans was put in?
What models would have had that?
I am waiting to get the thing running before trying to figure out the gear shift with the up/down bit, is that Hi/Lo so I do have a ten speed?

sorry for all the questions, trying to figure this thing out.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford Frankentractor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That is a 5 speed trans that was swaped in after sos went bad. It was cheaper to put gear trans in than fix other. I have a 801D that has 4 speed put in it. Found 861D tractor with bad engine so that 5 speed with live pto is going to replace 4 speed.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford Frankentractor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You only have a 5 speed. If you are in neutral you can raise or lower the whole shifter straight up or down to one of 3 positions. The top position and then push forward will forward will be 3rd gear. Pull backward will be reverse. Fully down and forward is 4rth and rearward is 5th. Halfway up or down gets you 1st and 2nd.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford Frankentractor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You got this out of Maryland? I think it started life as a 1963-65 4000 4140(5/6) Heavy duty Industrial Diesel Select o Speed tractor with the Elenco 4 wheel drive. Someone over the years must have replaced
the SOS transmission and rear axle with a 5 speed transmission and rear axle from a 1955-7 800 850 ford tractor. Since the rear axles are different between the SOS and 5 speed they were force to use the 5
speed's rear axles as well. The transfer case for the Elenco would not have been a direct bolt up to the 5 speed's parts. So maybe that why it was left that off, unless it was damaged beyond repair. None of
the Industrial tractors (1801,4040,4140) used the 5 speeds transmission as ford deemed them to weak for these type of machines. Only the 4 speeds and Select o Speed came in the Industrial tractor in the years
between 1958-1965. Your loader is a ford 712 which available only on the 1801,4040,4140 and the 5000(Fordson Super Major).
The Ford 713/723 14 foot backhoe(model 19-301) was only available with the industrial tractors(1801,4040,4140) and the 5000(Fordson Super Major). The Ford 713/723 10(19-299) and 12(19-300) foot were available
on the industrial as well as other fords too. The 713 and 723 backhoes have subtle differences, the 713's came on the 1801 from 1958 to about 1960 when the 4040 came out, where sometime in the 1960's before
the 4140 came out came out the 723 were being made.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford Frankentractor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The Elenco transfer case will mount up to a five speed as it mounts where the pto lever inspection cover originally mounts same as the four speed and SOS. What would be different for the Elenco between the SOS and five speed would be the coupler with sprockets.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford Frankentractor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

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So the Selectospeed would have been on the industrial tractor originally before the 850 trans was put in?
What models would have had that?


The models within the 1801 industrial series that came with the S-O-S transmission were the 1811 (S-O-S with no PTO), 1871 (S-O-S with 540 rpm independent PTO), and the 1881 (dual speed 540/1000 rpm independent PTO plus ground speed).

You would need to find the date codes on the other components to tell whether it was made from 1959 to 1960, in which case it would have originally been an 1801 series, or if it was made in 1961 or later, in which case it would be a 4000 industrial.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:37 am    Post subject: Re: Ford Frankentractor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The front rims are original to an Elenco, but they have had the backspacing changed by cutting the center and having flat plates welded in.
 
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