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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:23 pm    Post subject: Governor woes Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Ok, long time lurker via Google. I have what I believe is a 46 9n. I'm in the process of changing the governor and the tractor now only has two speeds. Idle and overspeed
overspeed is achieved with one click of the throttle plate . I'm now aware I need to adjust the new governors internal play if you will via shims and the arms need adjusted with a ford governor jig. My question is where does one find this jig? My linkage is not threaded so it cant be adjusted that way. My only options are to bend the linkage or the governor arms, hence why I'm looking for the jig. Also, if i have this right, the shims on the shaft inside the governor are why I'm having engine speed control problems. Is this correct?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:39 am    Post subject: Re: Governor woes Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Same problem / different day.
Nobody ever seems to have the answer to the aftermarket governor problem.
I hope you figure it out and let the rest of us know.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:45 am    Post subject: Re: Governor woes Reply to specific post Reply with quote

New 8/9/2N governors have a bad reputation. Go to ebay or some other source and buy a OEM governor and rebuild it.
Governor on ebay. I have no interest in this item

 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:50 am    Post subject: Re: Governor woes Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hcooke you're right. The answer is always
the same. You shouldn't have bought the
aftermarket one. There weren't any remans
on Ebay at my time of purchase. The ones
I've seen in the past were up to $500. No
way in h#ll I'm paying that for something
rebuilt that is still a gamble. I'm
hoping someone who knows something will
chime in eventually.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:25 am    Post subject: Re: Governor woes Reply to specific post Reply with quote

does not the fo-4 says to bend the linkage?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: Governor woes Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Putt_Putt wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:50:26 06/19/20) Hcooke you're right. The answer is always
the same. You shouldn't have bought the
aftermarket one. There weren't any remans
on Ebay at my time of purchase. The ones
I've seen in the past were up to $500. No
way in h#ll I'm paying that for something
rebuilt that is still a gamble. I'm
hoping someone who knows something will
chime in eventually.
That fixture is a bit over-blown, as all it does is give you flat surfaces to make arm measurements on and to lay arm on to hit with hammer to bend arm into position measured.




 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: Governor woes Reply to specific post Reply with quote

JMOR wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:41:20 06/19/20)
CVPost-Putt_Putt wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:50:26 06/19/20) Hcooke you're right. The answer is always
the same. You shouldn't have bought the
aftermarket one. There weren't any remans
on Ebay at my time of purchase. The ones
I've seen in the past were up to $500. No
way in h#ll I'm paying that for something
rebuilt that is still a gamble. I'm
hoping someone who knows something will
chime in eventually.
That fixture is a bit over-blown, as all it does is give you flat surfaces to make arm measurements on and to lay arm on to hit with hammer to bend arm into position measured.



remove the "8" before hitting ENTER
http://n*tracto*rclub.com/manuals/service-troubleshooting/Maintenance%20and%20Repair%20of%20the%20Governor%20and%20Control%20Linkage.pdf
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: Governor woes Reply to specific post Reply with quote

This is perfect! Exactly what I was
hoping to see. I will do.some tinkering
this weekend to see if I can get close
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Governor woes Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I haven't had the pleasure of working on
an aftermarket gov, and do not have the
tool/ jig.
My great running 8n, with engine off,
full throttle, measures 2 9/16 in from
the flat spot in the pic, to the small
arm.( trying to simulate the jig
measurement, with gasket)
If the aftermarket govs small arm is too
long in this dimension, seems it would
give high rpm.
I grinded an old welding rod to fit,
then measured the rod.
Not as precise as the jig, but may be
helpful.





 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: Governor woes Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Soaked wrote:
(quoted from post at 12:37:22 06/19/20) I haven't had the pleasure of working on
an aftermarket gov, and do not have the
tool/ jig.
My great running 8n, with engine off,
full throttle, measures 2 9/16 in from
the flat spot in the pic, to the small
arm.( trying to simulate the jig
measurement, with gasket)
If the aftermarket govs small arm is too
long in this dimension, seems it would
give high rpm.
I grinded an old welding rod to fit,
then measured the rod.
Not as precise as the jig, but may be
helpful.




<img src="/cvphotos/cvphoto47794.jpg">
your 2 9/16 is closer to dimension quoted in manual than number drawn in on picture & I cannot explain that, as those were said to be actual measurements by the owner of that fixture????
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:24 am    Post subject: Re: Governor woes Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thank you
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Governor woes Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hi JMOR,I suspect the jig numbers are
correct, but measured from the edge of
the connector ball, not the middle.
Would have been consistant for the book
to have given values to the edge. 😃

The 2.450 on the jig with a .020 gasket
= 2.47,,, which is the long demension.
My 2.56 isnt too far from spec, and it
works, no overspeeding.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Governor woes Reply to specific post Reply with quote

So, are we making the assumption that the aftermarket, nonfunctional governors just need adjustment?
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:36 am    Post subject: Re: Governor woes Reply to specific post Reply with quote

HarryVanderpool wrote:
(quoted from post at 23:16:03 06/19/20) So, are we making the assumption that the aftermarket, nonfunctional governors just need adjustment?
I'm not. But maybe I will learn something?
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Governor woes Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Suggest look for a reason the fork isn't
pulling back the aprox 1/8 inch at idle,
like it should. It may have slack up to
the fork base, or it may be all the way
back hitting the housing. Either one
would give the high revs.

Check that the fork isn't pinned on
backwards.

I put one on backwards, and it fits on,
and puts the arms more twards the carb,
than when on correctly. 1/8" punch will
drive the tapered pin out, after
unscrewing the oil line fitting.



 
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