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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:34 pm    Post subject: Why does everything have to fight like this. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Granted I should have figured it would have gone this way but still. Ended up buying all new front tins for the 1951 Ford 8n of my parents. Have the tractor going but good grief. OE hood was destroyed in the fire so I got a repop hood. Didn't fit the tractor right. Made needed modifications. Needed new dog legs, they didn't fit right made needed modifications. Grill is the same deal. What I can't understand for the life of me is why is the fitment so poor. I mean you would think the same Chinese junk stampings would at least match up with each other? Nope, not a chance.... I gotta make sure I post pictures of everything once I have it altogether.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:46 am    Post subject: Re: Why does everything have to fight like this. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

IMHO You answered your own questions when you mentioned China.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:14 am    Post subject: Re: Why does everything have to fight like this. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It's made in China, probably for an American owned company who allows poor design and quality control if any. So, I feel that some of the blame should be shouldered by the greedy corporation, all they are interested in is the bottom line, couldn't care less if your sheet metal fits correctly or not.IMHO
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:45 am    Post subject: Re: Why does everything have to fight like this. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Chinese sardine cans are not good. Why didn't you buy used tin? Used 8N stuff is a dime a dozen, just my 2 cents.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:20 am    Post subject: Re: Why does everything have to fight like this. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That's what I would have done.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:37 am    Post subject: Re: Why does everything have to fight like this. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Rustic1s wrote:
(quoted from post at 05:45:27 07/06/20) Chinese sardine cans are not good. Why didn't you buy used tin? Used 8N stuff is a dime a dozen, just my 2 cents.


That actually depends a whole lot on where one is located.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: Why does everything have to fight like this. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

True, but they are everywhere. I now focus on prewar 39-42 9N stuff, that's a challenge. Walk over PILES of 8N stuff almost daily.

Anywho, hope your project works out. Post some pics.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: Why does everything have to fight like this. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Rustic1s wrote:
(quoted from post at 05:45:27 07/06/20) Chinese sardine cans are not good. Why didn't you buy used tin? Used 8N stuff is a dime a dozen, just my 2 cents.
Finding good, used, not absolutely beat to death, or not rusted completely out tins are damned near impossible anywhere reasonably close to the DC metro area. I looked and what I did find I couldnt travel to pickup because of the COVID deal given the whole dc metro area was/is on lockdown still.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:18 am    Post subject: Re: Why does everything have to fight like this. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hmmm. Maybe I should quit walking on the 8n stuff and buy it up, just might help finance my 9N addictions. Just passed on a 49 " I think"in good shape w NEW tires for 1,500 bucks. Guy bought it, put rubber on it and decided it wasn't for him.

Hope it works out for you, would like to see pics w you smiling after you finish it.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: Why does everything have to fight like this. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Rustic1s wrote:
(quoted from post at 08:18:08 07/06/20) Hmmm. Maybe I should quit walking on the 8n stuff and buy it up, just might help finance my 9N addictions. Just passed on a 49 " I think"in good shape w NEW tires for 1,500 bucks. Guy bought it, put rubber on it and decided it wasn't for him.

Hope it works out for you, would like to see pics w you smiling after you finish it.


You may be tripping over 8N tin but in a desert type area like southern California did you stop and think what it costs to get something like a hood and fenders shipped?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Why does everything have to fight like this. Reply to specific post Reply with quote


We don't exactly have old "N" tractors sitting in everyone's back yard here. People who live in those kind of areas just don't realize that.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Why does everything have to fight like this. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Caryc wrote:
(quoted from post at 08:54:14 07/06/20)
Rustic1s wrote:
(quoted from post at 08:18:08 07/06/20) Hmmm. Maybe I should quit walking on the 8n stuff and buy it up, just might help finance my 9N addictions. Just passed on a 49 " I think"in good shape w NEW tires for 1,500 bucks. Guy bought it, put rubber on it and decided it wasn't for him.

Hope it works out for you, would like to see pics w you smiling after you finish it.


You may be tripping over 8N tin but in a desert type area like southern California did you stop and think what it costs to get something like a hood and fenders shipped?



Uhhh, the same as new stuff that don't work correctly.

I just paid fed x 140 bucks to ship,, pair of 2 rib fenders w mounts, hood "used, I don't buy NEW stuff, dog ears, distributors, I beam rods. Etc.. There are many options out there.
Might even get ELON to buzz it out in a cybertruck...

Jus sayin, moral of story.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Why does everything have to fight like this. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Guess somebody forgot to inform the rioters/protesters about the lock down.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Why does everything have to fight like this. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You poor man.
You are working on a tractor with the
highest production numbers in history.
A tractor for which parts - new, used and
repopped are ubiquitous - and cheap.
Yet you are complaining cause you have to
do a little work to make something fit.
You probably shouldn't take on a model
with production numbers 1/500th as common
as your N. One that takes 4 1/2 years to
find this left side hood. Or 3 years to
find a clutch pedal for it. One that a
new or even half decent steering wheel is
simply Not to be found so you have to buy
one for a different brand and pay a
machinist to modify it to fit. And
remanufacture the steering column for
because No parts are available for it.
One that you have to weld parts together
to make it work or manufacture a power
steering rod for because parts are no
longer made.
Or drive from Minneapolis to Omaha to get
a part that's too expensive to ship.
Or get a bracket shipped from Texas, an
air pipe from Ohio and a hydraulic part
shipped from New York - to name just a
few things I have done.
I say you are poor because you dont have
the right attitude for this restoration
stuff.
You don't get that joy of finally finding
a thing you've been looking for.
Because you want it all done NOW. You
want it out of a kit. You want it all to
go together with no effort.
I am not saying I am better than you.
Not at all.
But I think I am luckier. Because I can
take the long view. And be patient, be
resourceful, be inventive.
I wonder if you shouldn't pick a
different hobby.
Or just buy a new tractor and be done
with all this aggravation.
Why do a thing if it drives you into a
rage?




 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Why does everything have to fight like this. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Ultradog MN wrote:
(quoted from post at 18:20:47 07/06/20) You poor man.
You are working on a tractor with the
highest production numbers in history.
A tractor for which parts - new, used and
repopped are ubiquitous - and cheap.
Yet you are complaining cause you have to
do a little work to make something fit.
You probably shouldn't take on a model
with production numbers 1/500th as common
as your N. One that takes 4 1/2 years to
find this left side hood. Or 3 years to
find a clutch pedal for it. One that a
new or even half decent steering wheel is
simply Not to be found so you have to buy
one for a different brand and pay a
machinist to modify it to fit. And
remanufacture the steering column for
because No parts are available for it.
One that you have to weld parts together
to make it work or manufacture a power
steering rod for because parts are no
longer made.
Or drive from Minneapolis to Omaha to get
a part that's too expensive to ship.
Or get a bracket shipped from Texas, an
air pipe from Ohio and a hydraulic part
shipped from New York - to name just a
few things I have done.
I say you are poor because you dont have
the right attitude for this restoration
stuff.
You don't get that joy of finally finding
a thing you've been looking for.
Because you want it all done NOW. You
want it out of a kit. You want it all to
go together with no effort.
I am not saying I am better than you.
Not at all.
But I think I am luckier. Because I can
take the long view. And be patient, be
resourceful, be inventive.
I wonder if you shouldn't pick a
different hobby.
Or just buy a new tractor and be done
with all this aggravation.
Why do a thing if it drives you into a
rage?

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My hero!!! Its the challenge and the thrill of the hunt,the blood,sweat and tears that go into finding that old beast and trying somehow to put it back in its former glory with genuine,original American made parts "USED" New parts are a major no-no in my world, I will drive hundreds of miles to finally find that particular part I need. It's the passion. Its who I am. it's what I do. I have met some wonderful people in the short time I have been doing this, and aquired some great friends in the process. Amazingly have found stuff, some have never seen or heard of. It's the pleasure of helping someone get the FEVER and rescue a old rusty piece of farming history and steer them in the right direction.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED...

How many know what this is? Have you seen one?
Steiner sells them new " truckloads" to me it's just not the same. How many of these old timers actually survived? Probably very very few. This stuff has a story, a purpose that you can't experience any other way.






 
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