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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:55 am    Post subject: Changed All The 8N Fluids, Home Testing Viscosity Reply to specific post Reply with quote

There are likely many opinions and techniques y'all have been using that work. I found one on the sciencing site but can't post the link

From what I found on Valvoline's web site and other online charts the VV813 (141 VI) has better lubrication than Mineral Oil at 0F and slightly better than Mineral Oil at 100F. For the transmission, differential and pump $70 per 5 gallons I thought it would be cost effective to test the newer oil. My tractors 600 hour intervals won't come every spring but maybe every third. Shifter boot is good, seat bolts are tight and I am building a shed soon. My only concern is condensation.


Other than cost what are your thoughts on VV813?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:53 am    Post subject: Re: Changed All The 8N Fluids, Home Testing Viscosity Reply to specific post Reply with quote


 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:32 am    Post subject: Re: Changed All The 8N Fluids, Home Testing Viscosity Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My answer is a question. Why are you comparing it to mineral oil? 90w mineral oil as well as 50W motor oil were both approved substitutes for wartime use only (WWII) a time when obtaining any lube was near
impossible. I've been there done that substitution, trying to get gas to do the spring planting was extremly tough too. No need to re-invent the wheel, GL-2, GL-4, GL-5 as well as 134 hydro oil are all fine.
Here in the warm sunny south 134 is not the favorite but it is very practical and truly loved in the northern frigid regions.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: Changed All The 8N Fluids, Home Testing Viscosity Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Wondering if you are launching a tractor designed to replace horses on a MARS MISSION.... just asking...
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:46 am    Post subject: Re: Changed All The 8N Fluids, Home Testing Viscosity Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Keep it positive guys. There is enough smartass comments online. Imagine your talking to a grown man or discussing this with your peers. Others may take you seriously.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:47 am    Post subject: Re: Changed All The 8N Fluids, Home Testing Viscosity Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Why all of that to address a problem solved years ago by UTF?

No need to get the expensive stuff; TSC UTF is fine.

Sheds, shifter boots, etc will not prevent the #1 cause of water in the hydraulic fluid: condensation. Unlike engine oil, the pump, transmission and differential
rarely get hot enough to burn off the naturally occurring condensation in 5 gallons of fluid.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: Changed All The 8N Fluids, Home Testing Viscosity Reply to specific post Reply with quote

8NChris wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:46:25 08/03/20) Keep it positive guys. There is enough smartass comments online. Imagine your talking to a grown man or discussing this with your peers. Others may take you seriously.
This oil looked appropriate for the constant 100 summers and occasional single digit the 8N sees every year.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:58 am    Post subject: Re: Changed All The 8N Fluids, Home Testing Viscosity Reply to specific post Reply with quote

8NChris wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:48:33 08/03/20)
8NChris wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:46:25 08/03/20) Keep it positive guys. There is enough smartass comments online. Imagine your talking to a grown man or discussing this with your peers. Others may take you seriously.
This oil looked appropriate for the constant 100 summers and occasional single digit the 8N sees every year.

Up here we rarely see over 90 and it usually does not last more than a week. I don't use the tractor much then anyway. We do see single-digits and lower. It's nice to have the UTF then. If you're plowing snow when it's cold you'll likely need to warm up the 90W before the hydraulics will want to work well. If that is a rare occurrence, it's not a problem for you. Some say that UTF leaks more easily but I have not had that problem - maybe just lucky.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Changed All The 8N Fluids, Home Testing Viscosity Reply to specific post Reply with quote

8NChris wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:55:47 08/03/20) There are likely many opinions and techniques y'all have been using that work. I found one on the sciencing site but can't post the link

From what I found on Valvoline's web site and other online charts the VV813 (141 VI) has better lubrication than Mineral Oil at 0F and slightly better than Mineral Oil at 100F. For the transmission, differential and pump $70 per 5 gallons I thought it would be cost effective to test the newer oil. My tractors 600 hour intervals won't come every spring but maybe every third. Shifter boot is good, seat bolts are tight and I am building a shed soon. My only concern is condensation.


Other than cost what are your thoughts on VV813?
Thank's


It is a generic UDT with the same physical properties as Ford M2C-134D, Kubota UDT, JD J20C, and litany of others. In an N-series tractor it will be indistinguishable from TSC Traveller premium UDT which is half the cost. I'll save the $35:per pail and spend it on beer and golf.

TOH
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: Changed All The 8N Fluids, Home Testing Viscosity Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Jim WI wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:58:54 08/03/20)
8NChris wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:48:33 08/03/20)
8NChris wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:46:25 08/03/20) Keep it positive guys. There is enough smartass comments online. Imagine your talking to a grown man or discussing this with your peers. Others may take you seriously.
This oil looked appropriate for the constant 100 summers and occasional single digit the 8N sees every year.

Up here we rarely see over 90 and it usually does not last more than a week. I don't use the tractor much then anyway. We do see single-digits and lower. It's nice to have the UTF then. If you're plowing snow when it's cold you'll likely need to warm up the 90W before the hydraulics will want to work well. If that is a rare occurrence, it's not a problem for you. Some say that UTF leaks more easily but I have not had that problem - maybe just lucky.
Good information Jim. My 8N does not leak but likely will now that I posted on it. Most of us have come to appreciate the value of a good conventional oil. Rotella T1 30 claimes to have 1000 zinc. For our old tractors spring pressure I was comfortable using it in the 226 crank case. Next up is the antifreeze, is still the old sweet tasting formula. That stuff is around 20 years out of date.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: Changed All The 8N Fluids, Home Testing Viscosity Reply to specific post Reply with quote

TheOldHokie wrote:
(quoted from post at 18:20:11 08/03/20)
8NChris wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:55:47 08/03/20) There are likely many opinions and techniques y'all have been using that work. I found one on the sciencing site but can't post the link

From what I found on Valvoline's web site and other online charts the VV813 (141 VI) has better lubrication than Mineral Oil at 0F and slightly better than Mineral Oil at 100F. For the transmission, differential and pump $70 per 5 gallons I thought it would be cost effective to test the newer oil. My tractors 600 hour intervals won't come every spring but maybe every third. Shifter boot is good, seat bolts are tight and I am building a shed soon. My only concern is condensation.


Other than cost what are your thoughts on VV813?
Thank's


It is a generic UDT with the same physical properties as Ford M2C-134D, Kubota UDT, JD J20C, and litany of others. In an N-series tractor it will be indistinguishable from TSC Traveller premium UDT which is half the cost. I'll save the $35:per pail and spend it on beer and golf.

TOH
That compatibility information is usually located on the label as pictured above. As for being the same and unrecognisable there is more to it. The properties can be found on there website and then compared with the UTF and others mentioned. That is up to the user, I am satisfied with my choice.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Changed All The 8N Fluids, Home Testing Viscosity Reply to specific post Reply with quote

8NChris wrote:
(quoted from post at 14:14:19 08/04/20)
TheOldHokie wrote:
(quoted from post at 18:20:11 08/03/20)
8NChris wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:55:47 08/03/20) There are likely many opinions and techniques y'all have been using that work. I found one on the sciencing site but can't post the link

From what I found on Valvoline's web site and other online charts the VV813 (141 VI) has better lubrication than Mineral Oil at 0F and slightly better than Mineral Oil at 100F. For the transmission, differential and pump $70 per 5 gallons I thought it would be cost effective to test the newer oil. My tractors 600 hour intervals won't come every spring but maybe every third. Shifter boot is good, seat bolts are tight and I am building a shed soon. My only concern is condensation.


Other than cost what are your thoughts on VV813?
Thank's


It is a generic UDT with the same physical properties as Ford M2C-134D, Kubota UDT, JD J20C, and litany of others. In an N-series tractor it will be indistinguishable from TSC Traveller premium UDT which is half the cost. I'll save the $35:per pail and spend it on beer and golf.

TOH
That compatibility information is usually located on the label as pictured above. As for being the same and unrecognisable there is more to it. The properties can be found on there website and then compared with the UTF and others mentioned. That is up to the user, I am satisfied with my choice.


I have looked at dozens of product data sheets over the last decade or so and I can assure you there is little difference in the physical and performance properties of most premium UTF's. Here is what you will find:

Kinematic viscosity @100C: 9.4 to 10 cSt
Kinematic viscosity @40C: 55 to 60 cSt
Viscosity index: 135 to 140

API service classification: GL4
API viscosity grade (gear oil): SAE 80
API viscosity grade (engine oil): SAE 10W30

Valvoline VV813 is a fine major brand name UTF but at twice the cost of a premium generic. In a modern tractor with wet clutches and brakes or hydrostatic transmission VV813 MAY have a small discernible performance edge but not in a 70 year old design like an N-series. I have no quarrel with your choice but you asked for science and I have given you some.

TOH
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: Changed All The 8N Fluids, Home Testing Viscosity Reply to specific post Reply with quote

No problem. I value others experiences and advice I don't burden folks to do my reading or thinking for me. We are trusting the manufacture to be honest, so I guess we are still up against the wall there. Over the years with advancement in modern oils some of the properties needed for the old iron is replaced and some aren't so good for them anymore.

Going off no Flathead experience and what I think I know hopefully made the right oil choice in the 226 crank case. With the exception of one overdose of zinc additive I've dodged ruining a OHV V8 camshaft. Had some help identifying that one. It is posted on fepower forum.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:18 am    Post subject: Re: Changed All The 8N Fluids, Home Testing Viscosity Reply to specific post Reply with quote

8NChris wrote:
(quoted from post at 08:42:25 08/05/20) No problem. I value others experiences and advice I don't burden folks to do my reading or thinking for me. We are trusting the manufacture to be honest, so I guess we are still up against the wall there. Over the years with advancement in modern oils some of the properties needed for the old iron is replaced and some aren't so good for them anymore.

Going off no Flathead experience and what I think I know hopefully made the right oil choice in the 226 crank case. With the exception of one overdose of zinc additive I've dodged ruining a OHV V8 camshaft. Had some help identifying that one. It is posted on fepower forum.


The physical properties data in OEM product data sheets are pretty reliable. No need or advantage to fudging those numbers.

Lubricating oil formulations are complex and sensitive chemistry that blenders verify by performance testing not formulary. Playing home chemist with lubricating oil additives like ZDDP is a recipe for creating just the sort of imbalance problems you had.

TOH
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: Changed All The 8N Fluids, Home Testing Viscosity Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I just purchased 8n13325 and started
restoring to working condition.

just did the same thing.
Changed the hydraulic/transmission fluid.
Oil has changed and iso numbers and
viscosity are 2 different methods of
usage.
I use a full synthetic oil made by Amsoil
that is 10W-30.
My 45 years with Amsoil, I did a complete
gasket swap from filler plug to drain
plug. Axle seals to inspection covers.

VP makes a low priced oil sold at Tractor
Supply Co. TSC has an app.
 
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