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Should 300lbs on the 3pt be enough ballast to max FEL?


 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:48 am    Post subject: Should 300lbs on the 3pt be enough ballast to max FEL? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have what I believe to be a Wagner WM-3 FEL on my 8N (any data plate that may have been on the loader is long gone... I've been all over the entire thing multiple times trying to find one).

When I first bought the tractor, I pulled it off the trailer, and immediately put the bucket under the bed of my International MDT flatbed. Didn't budge the truck (didn't expect it to..I know this is a "light duty" loader) though didn't have any difficulty pulling the rear end of the tractor off the ground either.

I've since added a 7 foot landscape rake on the 3 point, and have been using the tractor for a bunch of lifting duties without an issue... Until yesterday. I had a jack on my camper fail, and attempted to lift the camper with the FEL so I could block it up and remove the jack.

FEL didn't budge the camper, but also didn't seem to want to even begin to unweight the rear end either before going to pressure bypass, even at WOT. Bucket was about 6" off the ground at this point, and will raise all the way up when unloaded and fully cycle the tilt cylinder when fully raised, so I don't believe it's a low fluid condition.

Is this expected behavior? Is the approx 300lbs on the 3 point enough ballast to max out the capability of the loader? I'm not trying to exceed the capability of the FEL, I just don't know what the limit really is, as this is my first "real" tractor and first FEL...and don't want to go chasing a "problem" in the loader hydraulics that doesn't really exist either.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:47 am    Post subject: Re: Should 300lbs on the 3pt be enough ballast to max F Reply to specific post Reply with quote

K5_489 wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:48:54 10/16/20) I have what I believe to be a Wagner WM-3 FEL on my 8N (any data plate that may have been on the loader is long gone... I've been all over the entire thing multiple times trying to find one).

When I first bought the tractor, I pulled it off the trailer, and immediately put the bucket under the bed of my International MDT flatbed. Didn't budge the truck (didn't expect it to..I know this is a "light duty" loader) though didn't have any difficulty pulling the rear end of the tractor off the ground either.

I've since added a 7 foot landscape rake on the 3 point, and have been using the tractor for a bunch of lifting duties without an issue... Until yesterday. I had a jack on my camper fail, and attempted to lift the camper with the FEL so I could block it up and remove the jack.

FEL didn't budge the camper, but also didn't seem to want to even begin to unweight the rear end either before going to pressure bypass, even at WOT. Bucket was about 6" off the ground at this point, and will raise all the way up when unloaded and fully cycle the tilt cylinder when fully raised, so I don't believe it's a low fluid condition.

Is this expected behavior? Is the approx 300lbs on the 3 point enough ballast to max out the capability of the loader? I'm not trying to exceed the capability of the FEL, I just don't know what the limit really is, as this is my first "real" tractor and first FEL...and don't want to go chasing a "problem" in the loader hydraulics that doesn't really exist either.


I dont have a real specification but i am going to guess 1000 lb is the lift limit. Three point ballast has
Noyhing to do with that. Pressure relif is supposed to open at 1600 PSI. Stick a gauge on one of the lift cylinders to check that.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Should 300lbs on the 3pt be enough ballast to max F Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Something's wrong. I had a Wagner on my 8N, and it would lift just about anything. I also had a blade on the back, and about 300lbs of ballast, and I was lifting 40ft long big I beams to put on the hangar posts 11' in the air.

The Wagner mod 3 is not a light duty loader. I would check the usual suspects. Fluid, pump, pump drive, valves. It might just be low on fluid and pulling vapor as you get to a certain height.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: Should 300lbs on the 3pt be enough ballast to max FEL? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The 8N with the Wagner step-through was originally the loader for one of my gramps' satellite lime piles (Prattsburg, NY) and with the stock small bucket, a heaped bucket was 900 lbs. Later it got bucket extensions for plowing snow and loading coal, and two easy buckets got us a ton of coal, and handled it easily. The front axle did take on a pretty good swayback after many years lol. We had a 55 gal barrel full of scrap metal and gravel on the 3pt with struts for a counterweight. We also used to change/move the rear wheels on the 706Ds with it, would just get the 15.5-38s with CC and five sets of weight off the ground a few inches, and you would have to drag the 18.4-34s, just skimming the ground
 
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