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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:27 am    Post subject: International 250 SERIES A - clutch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Greetings! New member here..

I am on the search for a clutch kit, throw out bearing and pilot bearing for my International 250 Series A "industrial" (yellow) tractor. Parts for this tractor aren't listed anywhere that I've called. The tractor is split in my garage with the fly wheel ready to go. The "250 SERIES A" and "INTERNATIONAL" names are displayed via two separate stickers on the loader arms, in that order from front to back. I believe this tractor was originally equipped with a backhoe as well. Numbers on the transmission data plate read as follows:
1 - 250PL
2340122B101234 - X

I will gladly provide photos of the machine to anyone willing to help if need be.

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Brady
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: International 250 SERIES A - clutch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The numbers are loader series, not the tractor. The tractor may be a 340 industrial (guess)
IH 340 Industrial

 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: International 250 SERIES A - clutch Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Would you happen to know where I could find numbers on the tractor that indicate this?

Also, do you know the "generations" of this tractor that follow it? I think mine might be a little later.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: International 250 SERIES A - clutch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The uphill battle you're facing here is that this machine was built by the Construction division of IH, in relatively small numbers compared to farm tractors. IH sold the Construction division to Dresser in the early 1980's and Dresser dropped support for everything but the bulldozers because that's all they were interested in. The whole thing eventually ended up in the hands of Komatsu, but that didn't improve things a bit.

So basically, you bought an orphan that if anything major goes wrong, becomes the world's heaviest paperweight.

These machines did share some in common with the Utility tractors of the time. I believe these were made around the same time as the 74 series.

Thing is, I thought the backhoes came with torque converters, not conventional clutches. If that's the case you're not going to find a farm tractor equivalent. Can you tell if you have a conventional clutch or a torque converter?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: International 250 SERIES A - clutch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

As noted, if it is later, (in the 1970s) the only way to find parts would be to identify the components common to ag machines. The actual answer is simpler.
Every clutch and drive line repair facility will have in stock, or be able to order a matching disk, pressure plate, and T/O bearing. Probably have a pilot
bearing as well. If the Flywheel is in need of surfacing, make sure the same amount is removed from the Pressure plate mounting flange of the flywheel to keep
that offset the same as it was. Jim
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: International 250 SERIES A - clutch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

BarnyardEngineering wrote:
(quoted from post at 19:55:05 11/04/20) The uphill battle you're facing here is that this machine was built by the Construction division of IH, in relatively small numbers compared to farm tractors. IH sold the Construction division to Dresser in the early 1980's and Dresser dropped support for everything but the bulldozers because that's all they were interested in. The whole thing eventually ended up in the hands of Komatsu, but that didn't improve things a bit.

So basically, you bought an orphan that if anything major goes wrong, becomes the world's heaviest paperweight.

These machines did share some in common with the Utility tractors of the time. I believe these were made around the same time as the 74 series.

Thing is, I thought the backhoes came with torque converters, not conventional clutches. If that's the case you're not going to find a farm tractor equivalent. Can you tell if you have a conventional clutch or a torque converter?




It is a conventional clutch with flywheel.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: International 250 SERIES A - clutch Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Am I able to figure that out based on parts measurements?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:29 pm    Post subject: Re: International 250 SERIES A - clutch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Brady_182 wrote:
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I will gladly provide photos of the machine to anyone willing to help if need be.

Thanks in advance,
Brady


Put photos up and you might get someone to say "that's a XXX International.

It's likely a 574/674 based tractor......I would guess 12" clutch....but pics would help prove or disprove that.

Parts are readily available for a 74 series.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: International 250 SERIES A - clutch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Photo of tractor
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: International 250 SERIES A - clutch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

495man wrote:
(quoted from post at 22:29:32 11/04/20)
Brady_182 wrote:
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I will gladly provide photos of the machine to anyone willing to help if need be.

Thanks in advance,
Brady


Put photos up and you might get someone to say "that's a XXX International.

It's likely a 574/674 based tractor......I would guess 12" clutch....but pics would help prove or disprove that.

Parts are readily available for a 74 series.





Sorry, I can't get this thing to upload a photo. I have a former mechanic of those older tractors looking through some old parts books. We're thinking it should be the same as a 74 as well. I'll post my findings.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:22 am    Post subject: Re: International 250 SERIES A - clutch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I believe you need to have a certain number of posts on the forum before you're allowed to post pictures.

Anyway, I have a 2500 (A series) loader sitting in my yard, borrowed for the summer and about to go back for snow season. From what I can tell, the engine is 574 based, in this case, gas. Transmission is 4x2 shuttle. You can go look on tractordata dot ... for data and pix to help identify what you have, and in all probability the 574 clutch is correct, but as posted above, any serious clutch rebuilder will be able to source or make the correct parts to replace what is installed, even if it's "odd".
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: International 250 SERIES A - clutch Reply to specific post Reply with quote

WellWorn wrote:
(quoted from post at 17:22:08 11/05/20) I believe you need to have a certain number of posts on the forum before you're allowed to post pictures.

Anyway, I have a 2500 (A series) loader sitting in my yard, borrowed for the summer and about to go back for snow season. From what I can tell, the engine is 574 based, in this case, gas. Transmission is 4x2 shuttle. You can go look on tractordata dot ... for data and pix to help identify what you have, and in all probability the 574 clutch is correct, but as posted above, any serious clutch rebuilder will be able to source or make the correct parts to replace what is installed, even if it's "odd".



I ordered a clutch that fit the description from ebay, so far it's working well. Thank you everyone.
 
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