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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:03 am    Post subject: is a JD 510 baler worth the time Reply to specific post Reply with quote

OK, I have two JD 510 balers, one barn kept with a set of new replacement belts that need to be installed. I have watched the vids on youtube. Are these balers worth the time to bale with, as I have read that they have "closed throat" problems and need "crop merger wheels," and only have spring tension to compress hay. Also, how does "manual twine tie" system work? (I plan on adding a non original 12 volt wireless monitoring camera system to eliminate the crick in the neck) One forum story is heaven, the other is hell. Should I look to something newer for baling a 40 acre meadow?
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:24 am    Post subject: Re: is a JD 510 baler worth the time Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If you’ve got em try em hay has to be supper dry I guess but it
can’t not be any worse than untangling the apron chain in an
old New Holland
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:00 am    Post subject: Re: is a JD 510 baler worth the time Reply to specific post Reply with quote


RUN FOREST RUN!!

Having sold/demonstrated NEW JD 510 rd balers I'll state save the stress & Find a later model such as a JD 430/435/530/535 rd baler or even better a X67 series JD rd baler.

510 was JD's 2nd attempt at manufacturing a rd baler & JD rd baler have progressed a long way since 1977. 510 has 7 bottom belts that forming bundle rides on that have been known to flip over. Reversing 1 or more of the possible 7 flipped bottom belts or replacing these belts($244.64 ea) is no easy task. IIRC the upper belts are very easy to twist especially with an ""inexperienced operator"" & pull the clipper lacings out.

IIRC no converging wheels although needed were never offered by JD. Bale wrapping with twine is accomplished by controlling speed/direction of travel of a hyd cylinder. This twine application cylinder requires a tractor with 2 sets of scv's or a special control valve. The compression roller directly behind pickup attachment are very easy to plug if hay has any damp spots in windrow.

Grassburs if present will stick rubber roller catching twine before it can be wrapped on the bale.

Your blood pressure will be a lot lower with a newer style rd baler!
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:13 am    Post subject: Re: is a JD 510 baler worth the time Reply to specific post Reply with quote

we had one since it was new and used it 30+ years , worked much better when the wide belts got installed on top. Very little trouble and made
thousands of good bales
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:54 am    Post subject: Re: is a JD 510 baler worth the time Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Dave
Have you ever had the pleasure of operating any rd balers newer than a JD 510? My parents farm had a JD 410 before trading for a JD 430. In the last 30 yrs I've baled many rd bales & JD's newer rd balers IMHO are similar to comparing the model 510 to a Ford Model T & newer baler to automobile with electric start, power steering & AC.

I agree upper, outside 12'' wide belts are easier to utilize than narrower belts & are a lot more difficult to flip over. Clipper lacings aren't near as durable as Mato lacings on later model rd balers either nor are the belt materials as durable as later style belts .

IMHO 510 with only spring tension makes a loose bale while later model balers make a tighter, more weather resistant bale. My rd baler operating experience is mostly baling grass type hay & a few 1000 corn/milo stalks not Alfalfa
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: is a JD 510 baler worth the time Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I had to repair a 510 baler once and felt really sorry.....for the customer. To paraphrase Mr. Thinker, given the choice, I
would rather eat live bees
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:07 pm    Post subject: Re: is a JD 510 baler worth the time Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Do you have the balers already?
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: is a JD 510 baler worth the time Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-svcummins wrote:
(quoted from post at 19:07:23 01/02/21) Do you have the balers already?


yes, I already have the balers, but zero actual experience using any baler. One of the reasons I got then was that the videos on youtube showed that they made bales. I have about $300 in each of them. I figured for the price, I could always reutilize the metal for something else, if they did not bale correctly.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: is a JD 510 baler worth the time Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Might as well try it if you have them
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:29 am    Post subject: Re: is a JD 510 baler worth the time Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-svcummins wrote:
(quoted from post at 01:10:40 01/03/21) Might as well try it if you have them


Guess I will, the worst it can be after hearing of the problems is a learning experience. I will try an early spring cut to try to avoid the goat head grass burrs though.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:14 am    Post subject: Re: is a JD 510 baler worth the time Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Personally I’d get rid of them, and find a Baler that
isn’t more than 10 years old. Ya I know they cost
more, but it doesn’t matter if you have only a few
acres to bale or a thousand, you need to bale the
hay at it’s prime, and you want to be able to bale
hay not fix the baler when the hay is ready. Also, as
you have told us you have no experience with
round balers, a temperamental machine would not
be the best choice to learn on. Balers can be both
frustrating and dangerous pieces of equipment.
Many moving parts, and closed throat design balers
plug more often, and the operator will be off the
tractor fooling with the machine more often.
Regrettably I know guys that have made that
momentary slip, and now have only one arm, or a
crippled hand. The one guy was just standing
beside the baler watching it rotate trying to figure
out what was going wrong, hit day, and he had his
shirt open. Breeze caught his shirt, and it blew into
the belts and wrapped into the roller pulled his arm
off.
Whatever you do Be Careful !!
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:55 am    Post subject: Re: is a JD 510 baler worth the time Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Finally upgraded about 8 years ago to a JD 535 with twine and net wrap and use only net wrap baler works great but the net wrap sometimes can be a
problem. I had a roll from JD and found at least 3 spots where the wrap had splices in it that really caused problems.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:21 am    Post subject: Re: is a JD 510 baler worth the time Reply to specific post Reply with quote


JD X35 Rd balers had 2 different style netwrap attachments. I owned a baler with the earlier style attachment. That netwrap attachment gave me problems. On the early style attachment the door folds down. The newer styled attachment is much less trouble prone. My 467 rarely gives me any net problems. Over the yrs I've experienced a few rolls of wrap that had tears in net before bale application. I took the faulty rolls back to dealer & exchanged them.

Would you really desire to go back to baling with a 510 after utilizing a 535??? I'm 100% positive I would not want to go back to baling with a 435 baler from my 467. If you want a pleasurable rd baling experience try baling with a X67,X68,X69 rd baler!!
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:51 am    Post subject: Re: is a JD 510 baler worth the time Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Neighbor was having baler problems, was standing next to a moving chain with his shirt unbuttoned.

Told him he was making me real nervous with his shirt next to that chain. He kinda looked at me sideways, but did button his shirt.

I've seen too many guys get hurt.

Fred
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:53 am    Post subject: Re: is a JD 510 baler worth the time Reply to specific post Reply with quote

dwragon wrote:
(quoted from post at 04:29:34 01/03/21)
CVPost-svcummins wrote:
(quoted from post at 01:10:40 01/03/21) Might as well try it if you have them


Guess I will, the worst it can be after hearing of the problems is a learning experience. I will try an early spring cut to try to avoid the goat head grass burrs though.


I agree with SV, try them and play with them for a while, you'll then know what to look for in another one.
 
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