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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 4000 or is it a 3000 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

PRM1955 wrote:
(quoted from post at 08:50:35 04/19/21) Doesn't the 4000 have a 4 cylinder engine and 3000 has 3 cylinder? Mine has a 3 cylinder engine and 2 shifters 3 forward 2 reverse and a Hi / Low


There were two different 4000 series tractors from Ford. The earlier ones, made from 1961-1964 had a 4 cylinder engine like the earlier 800 and 801 series tractors. The later 4000 series, made from 1965-1975 had a 3 cylinder engine like what's in your 3000, just with higher displacemant and hp.

All of the 3 cylinder 2000, 3000 and 4000 series tractors made from 1965 to 1975 could have had any of a number of different transmissions. There were 4x1 speed, 6x2 speed, and 8x2 speed manual transmissions, plus the 10x2 Speed Select-O-Speed powershift transmission, plus the manual reversing transmission like your 4110 has, which was 4x4 in the earlier models prior to 4/1/68 and 6x4 from that date forward, plus there was a 4x4 torque converter power reversing transmission.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:19 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 4000 or is it a 3000 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

[quote="Sean in PA"](reply to post at 10:57:58 04/18/21) [/quote

yes.... blew that one.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 4000 or is it a 3000 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

So what I have is a 1965 4110 with 3000 brakes. What would I order for hydraulic parts under the seat 3000 or 4000 parts.
Thank you all for your responses I really do appreciate it.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 4000 or is it a 3000 Reply to specific post Reply with quote


You order parts for 4110. Make sure you choose the LCG (01/65 - 12/74), not to be confused with the other 4110:s.



 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 4000 or is it a 3000 Reply to specific post Reply with quote


in the online ford parts catalog, it would show a parts diagram that applies to """2000,3000,4110"""" at the top of the page, so you have to watch this as you go through the pages... even though a 2000 will have its own diagram on a few pages, and you will also see the industrial derivatives have separate pages in some areas a well.

But everywhere else, you will order 3000 parts for everything but the engine parts, wheels. I dont know about the rear end gears, as they might be different as well. But its mostly a 3000 with a 4000 engine for most parts.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 4000 or is it a 3000 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

sotxbill wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:42:58 04/20/21)
in the online ford parts catalog, it would show a parts diagram that applies to """2000,3000,4110"""" at the top of the page, so you have to watch this as you go through the pages... even though a 2000 will have its own diagram on a few pages, and you will also see the industrial derivatives have separate pages in some areas a well.

But everywhere else, you will order 3000 parts for everything but the engine parts, wheels. I dont know about the rear end gears, as they might be different as well. But its mostly a 3000 with a 4000 engine for most parts.


Front axle spindles are shorter than a regular 3000. The ones on the 4110 are only the same as the 2110. I think in the parts descriptions it doesn't say 2110 or 4110 for them, just "LCG".
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 4000 or is it a 3000 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I was really confused with all of this, it makes sense now.
Thank you all for taking the time to explain it.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:59 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 4000 or is it a 3000 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

PRM1955 wrote:
(quoted from post at 15:42:28 04/20/21) So what I have is a 1965 4110 with 3000 brakes. What would I order for hydraulic parts under the seat 3000 or 4000 parts.
Thank you all for your responses I really do appreciate it.


You say it is from 1965 but I can not find anything in the thread how you determined that?

The model code starts with "D", and that points to an assembly date later than March 31, 1968. Furthermore, 4110 only had the Select-O-Speed transmission in the early years, at least for basic models. Look at the attached picture, which is a screenshot from an ad brochure that this forum's rules forbids me to link to.

Maybe the 6x4 manual reversing was an option on the later models, but it is not listed among the transmissions on a CNH dealers parts list for 4110 (I dare not to link to one, the forum may explode)?



 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 4000 or is it a 3000 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hacke wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:59:02 04/20/21)
PRM1955 wrote:
(quoted from post at 15:42:28 04/20/21) So what I have is a 1965 4110 with 3000 brakes. What would I order for hydraulic parts under the seat 3000 or 4000 parts.
Thank you all for your responses I really do appreciate it.


You say it is from 1965 but I can not find anything in the thread how you determined that?

The model code starts with "D", and that points to an assembly date later than March 31, 1968. Furthermore, 4110 only had the Select-O-Speed transmission in the early years, at least for basic models. Look at the attached picture, which is a screenshot from an ad brochure that this forum's rules forbids me to link to.

Maybe the 6x4 manual reversing was an option on the later models, but it is not listed among the transmissions on a CNH dealers parts list for 4110 (I dare not to link to one, the forum may explode)?



I think that he meant 1965+.

Also, most 2110 and 4110 tractors were sold as fleet purchases for state highway departments as road side mowers , and they could order them configured any way that they wanted and Ford would build them that way even if a regular consumer couldn't buy one configured that way from a dealer. My '73 4000 S-O-S tractor was originally a state highweay department tractor and it has a gasoline engine but it has an oil bath air cleaner that was normally only installed on diesel engine tractors, and as far as I can tell it came that way from the factory. It also came from the factory painted industrial yellow with a dark blue stripe down the side of the hood where the model number decal would normally be and dark blue wheels front and rear. The numbers on the sticker under the hood match to the numbers on all components, including the model, serial and unit numbers on the flat spot on the transmission and the date codes for the engine, transmission, rear axle, hydraulic pump and hydraulic lift.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 4000 or is it a 3000 Reply to specific post Reply with quote


I see, it is almost impossible to certainly identify those units. I read somewhere that the US government also had Ford tractors, with odd specifications, that the military used for airfield service. Some of these tractors are probably still around and the their history are unknown to their owners.

Then there were conversions made in small numbers.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 4000 or is it a 3000 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hacke wrote:
(quoted from post at 12:18:22 04/20/21)
I see, it is almost impossible to certainly identify those units. I read somewhere that the US government also had Ford tractors, with odd specifications, that the military used for airfield service. Some of these tractors are probably still around and the their history are unknown to their owners.

Then there were conversions made in small numbers.


Yeah, Ford supplied the militry with specially configured airplane tugs and I've seen a few that have the original Ford ID tag under the hood as well as a military ID tag riveted to it elsewhere.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 4000 or is it a 3000 Reply to specific post Reply with quote


I found the source, it is Allan T. Condie's "Ford Tractors 1964-1975, Classic Tractor Special No. 2". He mentions a 5100 government model, that was basically a 4400 with PTO and a 5000 gasoline engine. Used for both handling of aircraft and in field maintenance, like mowing.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 4000 or is it a 3000 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hacke wrote:
(quoted from post at 23:59:02 04/20/21)
PRM1955 wrote:
(quoted from post at 15:42:28 04/20/21) So what I have is a 1965 4110 with 3000 brakes. What would I order for hydraulic parts under the seat 3000 or 4000 parts.
Thank you all for your responses I really do appreciate it.


You say it is from 1965 but I can not find anything in the thread how you determined that?

The model code starts with "D", and that points to an assembly date later than March 31, 1968. Furthermore, 4110 only had the Select-O-Speed transmission in the early years, at least for basic models. Look at the attached picture, which is a screenshot from an ad brochure that this forum's rules forbids me to link to.

Maybe the 6x4 manual reversing was an option on the later models, but it is not listed among the transmissions on a CNH dealers parts list for 4110 (I dare not to link to one, the forum may explode)?


The whole stamp on the right side
model D1122K
production code 5J12B 5=1965-J=sept 12th B=daytime
serial CXXXXXX = built in US



 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 4000 or is it a 3000 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

sorry I couldnt edit my last post but here is exactly what was stamped on the right side of the tractor.
model D1122K
poduction code 5J12B
serial C47xxxx
 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 4000 or is it a 3000 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

mine also has a tag riveted to the hood with 6605 on it obviously hand stamped. I just assumed it was a town or county ID tag
 
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