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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:37 am    Post subject: Re: Clicking from solenoid Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have a Delco Alternator and there is an internal resistor in the ignition coil. I also have a push to start button with a push/pull ignition switch.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:54 am    Post subject: Re: Clicking from solenoid Reply to specific post Reply with quote

None of that has anything to do with the tractor cranking over, which is the problem at hand.

All you need to be concerned with are the heavy cables connecting the battery to the tractor, the solenoid, and the wire from the starter button to the solenoid.

Since the solenoid clicks when you hit the starter button, your starter button and that wiring is ok. It's the heavy wiring from the battery that you should be looking at. You have a bad connection there. The most common problem is corroded battery cables, or a bad/rusted connection where the - battery cable connects to the chassis of the tractor, aka the ground.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Clicking from solenoid Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Not a flame: there are no internal resistors in coils marked for use without external resistor. they are just made with the correct wire size and
number of turns to run on 14.5 volts (charging voltage when running). Like putting 120 volt light bulbs in a 120 volt socket, instead of putting a 60
volt light bulb and a resistor in that circuit. Tr reason for the external resistor is to allow a bypass for starting. Jim
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Clicking from solenoid Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Okay, you have a volt meter so here is how we will move forward. First we need to answer the post by ..old.. is the battery
at 12.6 volts static charge. That means touching the meter probes directly to the round battery posts. If that is good move
to the terminal around the negative post, then to the eyelet that the bolt goes through to bolt the negative cable to the
frame. Then to the frame or chassis itself. Now if you have held the battery voltage at all those point hold the negative
meter lead on the negative post then the positive lead on the frame. Hit your start button, if your meter comes up to
battery voltage you have a poor connection somewhere between the negative battery post and the chassis. If you do not
get a reading move your negative meter lead to the chassis and test the voltage at the positive battery post, hit your start
button if voltage holds move to the battery terminal hit the starter button and check for continued voltage. Do this step by
step checking power flow moving from point to point. Then on to the next just as laid out for the negative cable. When
you get to the solenoid skip over to the opposite side and continue on checking power during a start attempt all the way to
the starter post. By doing this you should be able to determine where the issue is.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Clicking from solenoid Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Funny how a 12 volt battery that shows say 12.25 volts is what maybe at best 75% charged and will cause problems. Plus given the fact few home owned VOMs are calibrated that can cause volt reading problems
 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:54 am    Post subject: Re: Clicking from solenoid Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-used red MN wrote:
(quoted from post at 20:19:03 04/20/21) Okay, you have a volt meter so here is how we will move forward. First we need to answer the post by ..old.. is the battery
at 12.6 volts static charge. That means touching the meter probes directly to the round battery posts. If that is good move
to the terminal around the negative post, then to the eyelet that the bolt goes through to bolt the negative cable to the
frame. Then to the frame or chassis itself. Now if you have held the battery voltage at all those point hold the negative
meter lead on the negative post then the positive lead on the frame. Hit your start button, if your meter comes up to
battery voltage you have a poor connection somewhere between the negative battery post and the chassis. If you do not
get a reading move your negative meter lead to the chassis and test the voltage at the positive battery post, hit your start
button if voltage holds move to the battery terminal hit the starter button and check for continued voltage. Do this step by
step checking power flow moving from point to point. Then on to the next just as laid out for the negative cable. When
you get to the solenoid skip over to the opposite side and continue on checking power during a start attempt all the way to
the starter post. By doing this you should be able to determine where the issue is.
Perfect, I will take a stab at this tomorrow and see where my issue is and get back to you if I can't seem to figure it out.
 
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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Clicking from solenoid Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-used red MN wrote:
(quoted from post at 20:19:03 04/20/21) Okay, you have a volt meter so here is how we will move forward. First we need to answer the post by ..old.. is the battery
at 12.6 volts static charge. That means touching the meter probes directly to the round battery posts. If that is good move
to the terminal around the negative post, then to the eyelet that the bolt goes through to bolt the negative cable to the
frame. Then to the frame or chassis itself. Now if you have held the battery voltage at all those point hold the negative
meter lead on the negative post then the positive lead on the frame. Hit your start button, if your meter comes up to
battery voltage you have a poor connection somewhere between the negative battery post and the chassis. If you do not
get a reading move your negative meter lead to the chassis and test the voltage at the positive battery post, hit your start
button if voltage holds move to the battery terminal hit the starter button and check for continued voltage. Do this step by
step checking power flow moving from point to point. Then on to the next just as laid out for the negative cable. When
you get to the solenoid skip over to the opposite side and continue on checking power during a start attempt all the way to
the starter post. By doing this you should be able to determine where the issue is.

So I finally had time to try this and I held voltage at each point until I reached the solenoid. When I checked the starter side of the solenoid, I noticed voltage drop to zero on the front post labeled "S" and the cable from the solenoid to the starter and the starter itself.

Any ideas?
 
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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Clicking from solenoid Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hopefully this video posted so you can have a general idea to what I mean.
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2021 4:40 am    Post subject: Re: Clicking from solenoid Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-used red MN wrote:
(quoted from post at 20:19:03 04/20/21) Okay, you have a volt meter so here is how we will move forward. First we need to answer the post by ..old.. is the battery
at 12.6 volts static charge. That means touching the meter probes directly to the round battery posts. If that is good move
to the terminal around the negative post, then to the eyelet that the bolt goes through to bolt the negative cable to the
frame. Then to the frame or chassis itself. Now if you have held the battery voltage at all those point hold the negative
meter lead on the negative post then the positive lead on the frame. Hit your start button, if your meter comes up to
battery voltage you have a poor connection somewhere between the negative battery post and the chassis. If you do not
get a reading move your negative meter lead to the chassis and test the voltage at the positive battery post, hit your start
button if voltage holds move to the battery terminal hit the starter button and check for continued voltage. Do this step by
step checking power flow moving from point to point. Then on to the next just as laid out for the negative cable. When
you get to the solenoid skip over to the opposite side and continue on checking power during a start attempt all the way to
the starter post. By doing this you should be able to determine where the issue is.

 
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