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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:02 pm    Post subject: PHOTOS of rebuilding my Massey’s Power Steering Cylinder Reply to specific post Reply with quote

PHOTOS of rebuilding my Massey’s Power Steering Cylinder

I took some pictures of the rebuild process for the power steering cylinder
On my ‘64 MF-65 Dieselmatic. It was leaking a bunch of fluid prior to the rebuild.
Hopefully this might be useful for some of the other folks out there.

Notes/Comments:
1- Baum Hydraulics in Nebraska is great for hydraulic parts and extremely knowledgeable. Their rebuild kit was $17 & USA made compared to $54 for the Sparex kit. btw, I’m ok with British parts but given current events, trying to support the home team wherever possible.
2- The most challenging aspects of the rebuild were disassembling the valve body and installing the internal scraper seals inside the valve body casting.
a. Taking the valve body apart was challenging because someone before me drove hardened Ball Bearings in the Allen screw holes(see pic) on top of the valve assembly. These are access holes which allow you insert a punch in the spool body, so that you can keep it from spinning when you try to unscrew the valve end rod.
b. One of the pics show the mess I made of the valve seal when I was trying remove it with the rod still in place
c. Note to self: best way to remove a steel framed seal when something is in the hole is to take a small puncture wound punch and to deform the seal inward, towards the center. If you push in one side, then the opposite side, alternating around the seal it’s pretty painless to remove. That was, of course, the 4th and last thing I tried after first attempting pullers, small chisels & drilling.
d. I had polish the valve rod in a drill press with some fine sand paper after munging it up trying to pull the seal out.
e. Yes, I tried to remove the pressed in ball bearings with a hardened small puncture wound punch and cobalt drill bits, but it wasn’t happening.
3- Degreased and stripped the outside parts with a wire wheel to avoid getting grit inside & not being able to remove all of it. Blasting would have been a lot more fun.
4- I replaced both the pins attaching the cyl connecting rod to the mounting bracket and the pin attaching the other end of the assembly to the steering arm. That was probably a waste of money. Unless your existing pins are severely damaged, the clearances are so large that there was no appreciable benefit and I was out an extra $60.
5- Use Grease on all the O-rings, seals, and rods when assembling the cylinder.
6- The local Parker store was able to put together replacement hydraulic lines for ~$100.00
7- I replaced the PS filter with a new Baldwin one I found on eBay and used Napa type FA ATF for fluid. Used the Massey on Saturday for a long time and all seemed to seal and run great, by God’s grace.
8- Thanks everyone on the forum for there input.

Off to the next project: trying to fix the dripping diesel between the fuel tank bung & petcock and above the injectors…












 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: PHOTOS of rebuilding my Massey’s Power Steering Cylinder Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Very good job! And thanks for posting these crisp pics, that helps all of us even way into the future. I am about to hook up the steering on my 165 soon, since the engine is finally back on the back, and we didn't want to start it without the hoses hooked up- so we don't take a bath- or drain the pump. I would love to 'improvise' one of these for my MHF 50 that never had PS, there's got to be a way huh? Good luck with it, and thanks again.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:41 am    Post subject: Re: PHOTOS of rebuilding my Massey�s Power Steering Cyl... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

sure, hope they help. When you are ready to add PS, I can let you know where I found some used PS set up's.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: PHOTOS of rebuilding my Massey’s Power Steering Cylinder Reply to specific post Reply with quote

What is the cost for a PS unit?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: PHOTOS of rebuilding my Massey�s Power Steering Cyl... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I had an existing PS Cylinder, which I rebuilt. They are asking $250-300 for the used cylinders at salvage yards. You might be able to negotiate price. From what I can tell, salvage yards look at new Agco prices and ask for 50% of that for used parts. This pricing seems high and funny given that you don't know what you are getting, used.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: PHOTOS of rebuilding my Massey’s Power Steering Cylinder Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Can anyone out there answer a question about fluid in the Massey Ferguson 65 Power steering? It appears that it is specified to use ATF. I have also found references that seem to indicate that universal tractor fluid or some other hydraulic fluid may be acceptable.

I am trying to use a combined hydraulic sump for both loader and power steering with separate pumps that share a common inlet. Therefore, I need to find a fluid that will work well for both systems.

I imagine I will be re-sealing the entire steering system sometime in the near future and I don't want to rot out new seals.

It just isn't cost effective for me to replace the original power steering pump.

Any input would be great!
 
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: PHOTOS of rebuilding my Massey’s Power Steering Cylinder Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Since the steering, and loader are separate of the transmission, universal tractor hydraulic fluid will be good.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: PHOTOS of rebuilding my Massey’s Power Steering Cylinder Reply to specific post Reply with quote

ptfarmer wrote:
(quoted from post at 01:57:26 09/24/14) Since the steering, and loader are separate of the transmission, universal tractor hydraulic fluid will be good.


What lube should be in the transmission?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:45 pm    Post subject: Re: PHOTOS of rebuilding my Massey’s Power Steering Cylinder Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Universal tractor hydraulic & transmission fluid.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:02 am    Post subject: Re: PHOTOS of rebuilding my Massey’s Power Steering Cylinder Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Paul R Anderson wrote:
What lube should be in the transmission?
Paul, up until about 1963, MF used 90W in the transmission, which was also used as the hydraulic sump for the 3pt and remotes. This was at odds with most other tractors at the time that used a UTF for hydraulics. Massey changed the spec and issued a service bulletin that when transmission or hydraulic service work was done to older models, to clean out the case and replace the oil with UTF.

You can probably tell the oil your has by the smell. GL4/5 lubricant has a unique odor. Smile
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: PHOTOS of rebuilding my Massey s Power Steerin Reply to specific post Reply with quote

[quote="Vineyard_65"](quoted from post at 00:02:47 10/12/11)
do you still have any of those pictures? the pictures are no longer visible and I am trying to do the same job. I also have the same year tractor and I'm finding it difficult to find a seal kit
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: PHOTOS of rebuilding my Massey s Power Steerin Reply to specific post Reply with quote

[quote="tgrist"](quoted from post at 23:03:00 03/10/21)
Vineyard_65 wrote:
(quoted from post at 00:02:47 10/12/11)
do you still have any of those pictures? the pictures are no longer visible and I am trying to do the same job. I also have the same year tractor and I'm finding it difficult to find a seal kit


Vineyard_65 might be around but his profile shows his last post was in October of 2011.

If I right click on one of the picture icons I see in the post and select open in new tab, I can see the picture in the new tab. That might work for you.
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: PHOTOS of rebuilding my Massey s Power Steerin Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I didn't read this until today. but that right click thing works perfectly. the pictures would have been very helpful but I already rebuilt the cylinder.
 
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