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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2021 6:09 pm    Post subject: getting the brake band out Reply to specific post Reply with quote

has anyone doing brakes on a b model had trouble getting the brake band out, i got the pins out, clips off and linkage out o the way and thought the brake band should be small enough in width to just cone out the opening but this band is wider than the oblong opening is wide. did someone put wrong band on or do i just have to twist the band to get it out. is the part where the shoe is riveted on narrower or do i have to twist all the way out. is there a special twist tool?
 
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2021 6:13 am    Post subject: Re: getting the brake band out Reply to specific post Reply with quote

the band should not be wider than the hole. See other post.. Use a #9 wire to wrap around end up the band.. pull with prybar or come-along to get it out... New band goes the same way. Wrap #9 wire under the drum and out the top.. tie to the brake band and pull it thru , under the drum, up to the pin hole.
 
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2021 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: getting the brake band out Reply to specific post Reply with quote

ill try the wire and pry bar but this band is definetly wider than the hole at least the ends where the pins go thru i may have to try and grind a little off the shoulder could the guy have put thhis band on while the cast part that connects to the tranmsission was seperaed?
 
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2021 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: getting the brake band out Reply to specific post Reply with quote

i measured the band 2 inches wide the opening 1 3/4inch by 4 1/2 inches dont know how the guy got it in there. he may have put on new drum and put band on then? i think the drum has slipped off key way in toward tractor so i have to remove wheel etc to get at drum , am going to get hold of tractor parts and have them actually measure a band. not sure o have the equipment to stabilize tractor and pull off the gear assembly. may be looking for a mechanic in the area.
 
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2021 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: getting the brake band out Reply to specific post Reply with quote

So what area are you in?? If the brake band is wider then the hole good chance it was installed by having the rear end apart
 
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2021 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: getting the brake band out Reply to specific post Reply with quote

i think the same thing, I am in channahhon ill. on the west edge of joliet ill. 50 miles south of chicago, i may have to have someone with a real shop do this, if i can find someone. if you have some info you can get hold of me at my e mail i guess that is ok its
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2021 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: getting the brake band out Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'm way to far from you to know anything about shops in your area. I'm down here at the Lake of the Ozarks in MO. It would be easy to do in my shop but at one time I had an IH 656 split into 5 pieces and that makes your B look like a riding lawn tractor LOL
 
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: getting the brake band out Reply to specific post Reply with quote

thanks anywy
 
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: getting the brake band out Reply to specific post Reply with quote

i doubt it... not a lot of room down the tube to install the linings. The housing is enlarged around the brake area to hold the drum and bands. I dont know the size of the shoes, but never had a problem pulling them out........ Bar and heavy wire should be able to distort them out !!
 
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: getting the brake band out Reply to specific post Reply with quote

took it for a ride today and degreased it, when i looked in the band opening ther was the drum, its in there sliding back and forth, so i have to take wheel and drive gear off any way so ill get the band out when i remove the dreve system. the drum doesnt look bad at all. when you say you wrap number nine wire in a loop and put a bar in the loop and twist your tajking abut putting the wire thru thr opening where the rear pin went thru, right/?. will need to know for the band installation on other wheel. help appreciated
 
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 6:39 am    Post subject: Re: getting the brake band out Reply to specific post Reply with quote

yes... you can not PUSH the brake lining thru the hole, around the drum, and back up the other side. You have to PULL it thru. Take a very heavy wire and stick it down from the top, under the drum, and curve up the other side... wrap one end of the wire on the brake shoe where the in goes... now you can help ENCOURAGE the shoe to go down, and around the brake drum by pulling on the other end of the wire.
 
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 10:52 am    Post subject: Re: getting the brake band out Reply to specific post Reply with quote

i dont think i explained that very well, i can actually move drum in toward the tractor on the passenger side so im looking at the axle so this band side can come out when i slide the drum out to replace the key which is missing, but on the other side im going to have to remove the band in the way your describing , my band on the passenger side has a threaded shaft on the front, the back end of this band has the hole where the pin went through, this is where the heavy wire goes through right and a bar goes thru the loop and you twist until you twist the band enough until will get thru the hole, have i got that right? now i need number nine wire. i am going to do the side where drum is missing so i know how to do the side where i have to do the loop and twist. thanks for your patience, this tractor is so high in back my floor jack an pretty high stands which were good for ford 8n are too low, going to look for rr ties for cribbing.
 
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 2:35 pm    Post subject: Re: getting the brake band out Reply to specific post Reply with quote

YEP.. stick the heavy wire thru the pin hole on the brake shoe. TWIST the wire to make a look that sticks up 3-4 inches out of the housing.. Stick your prybar / pipe thru the loop and rest the end on the case or a 2 x 4, etc... just like pulling a nail with a hammer. If your under a tree or a beam, you can use a 1/2 ton come along to pull it out.
 
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 5:20 pm    Post subject: Re: getting the brake band out Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I GOT IT BUT, IT BEGS THE QUESTION WHY IN THE WORLD DIDNT THEY MAKE THE BAND 1/4 INCH NARROWER OR THE OPENING 1/4 INCH BIGGER. MY NEW AQUISITION IS GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT TO WORK ON THAN HENRYS PRODUCT. I LOOKED AT TAKING TIRE OFF RIM THEN REMOVING WEIGHTED INNER HUB OFF IT LOOKS LIKE THE 4 BOLTS JUST CLAMP TO THE RIM, I SENT FOR 2 MANUALS SO HOPEFULLY I WILL GET REMOVAL INFORMATION THERE. APPRECIATE THE GUIDENCE.
 
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 5:31 pm    Post subject: Re: getting the brake band out Reply to specific post Reply with quote

NOT TIRE OFF RIM BUT TIRE AND RIM OFF HUB THEN REMOVCE WEIGHTED HUB.
 
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