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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:44 am    Post subject: Ford 8N vs Ferguson 2085 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hi, I'm still on the hunt for an 8N. Called a dealer about on yesterday, but I missed it by a week.. But he mentioned he has a Ferguson 2085 there. I've been told they're very similar. anyone out there be able to tell me the main big deifferences? Its a 1950 TEA20/85 and I was lookin at a 1950 8N. Thanks..
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:30 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 8N vs Ferguson 2085 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

that might be made for the european market.
t.o. was tractor overseas and t.e. was tractor european. i would definately google that and find out because i believe the t.e. is more sought after.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:35 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 8N vs Ferguson 2085 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Matt...the main differences are the 8N has position control in the lift hydraulics & a flathead engine(which is fairly easy & inexpensive to rebuild), where the 2085 has a more powerful overhead valve engine & no position control in the rear lift. Depending on who you ask the Fergy OHV engines are bulletproof or prone to developing cracks between cylinders. Generally, the Fergies are more expensive to repair or restore because parts are harder to find.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 8N vs Ferguson 2085 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

At auction 3 weeks ago they sold the 8N first- not even average, really poor cond. I got the 8N for $1150. Than they sold the TEA 20 - All new premium tires, new battery, good oil pres., started and run good, very straight tin. I bought it for $1300. If it had been an 8N in the same cond. it would have sold for $2500-2800. It was a farm auction and a good buying crowd.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 8N vs Ferguson 2085 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Ok, the te is an english continental engine rated at 28.2 h.p. If it were a t.o. then it was made in Detroit. The link is listed here.

Make : Harry Ferguson Inc.
Model : TE20 - TO20
Category : 2 plow, 24 hp at belt
Engine :
Continental Z-120 engine 23,9hp - 4 cyl - 81mm x 95mm - Gas (119.7ci)

Standard engine 23,9hp - 4 cyl - 80mm x 92mm - Gas/kerosene (TEA20-80)

Standard engine 28,2hp - 4 cyl - 85mm x 92mm - Gas/kerosene (TEA20-85)

Standard engine 26,0hp - 4 cyl - 80,96mm x 101,6mm - Diesel (209.2ci)

Serial number : TE20
(1946) : 1 - 315;
(1947) : 316 - 20894;
(1948) : 20895 - 77772;
(1949) : 77773 - 116461;
(1950) : 116462 - 167836;
(1951) : 167837 - 241335;
(1952) : 241336 - 310779;
(1953) : 310780 - 367998;
( 1954) : 367999- 428092;
(1955) : 428093 - 488578;
(1956) : 488579 - 517651;

TO20 (1948) : 1 - 1807; (1949) : 1808 - 14659; (1950) : 14660 - 39162; (1951) : 39163 - 60000

Notes : The TE (Tractor England) was built in England by Standard Motor Co. for export and the TO (Tractor Oversea) was built in USA in Detroit. TE20 with higher serial number than 200,001 = 12 volts. TE20 also known as GREY MENACE.

I don't know what I would do without my position control on my 8n. Its up to you on this one.






http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/downs/9828/fergy_02e.htm
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 8N vs Ferguson 2085 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

if you get the TEA and have troubles you will find alot of the parts are hard to come by, many are different than that the TO's,, I would wait for an N or a TO series fergy,, the fergies have more HP and are similar to the N series,,
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:48 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 8N vs Ferguson 2085 Reply to specific post Reply with quote


The Standard engine's I've been around (TR Sports cars) were indeed nearly bullet proof. Weak point was broken crankshafts when run in excess of the OEM 5000 RPM redline - likely not a problem in the trractor's. My favorite pit crew T-shirt was one TR team that had tractor tracks running vertically and "Power by Ferguson" Rolling Eyes printed on the back.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:00 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 8N vs Ferguson 2085 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

There is a guy in Cheasapeake, Ohio, just across the river from Huntington, WV, who has at least 6 8N's, 3 or 4 9N's and a couple of 600's for sale. Anyone is interested, I'll run back over and get the name and number. He's loaded with implements also. He is exclusive to old fords.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 8N vs Ferguson 2085 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

maballance wrote:
(quoted from post at 08:00:27 07/05/07) There is a guy in Cheasapeake, Ohio, just across the river from Huntington, WV, who has at least 6 8N's, 3 or 4 9N's and a couple of 600's for sale. Anyone is interested, I'll run back over and get the name and number. He's loaded with implements also. He is exclusive to old fords.


I'm interested - that's just about 45 minutes from my Mother's place.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 8N vs Ferguson 2085 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'll go get the info tomorrow, I'll post it tomorrow night. I'm thinking about buying a 600 from him, so I need to go back anyway.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 8N vs Ferguson 2085 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Ferguson Farm Implement
Old rt. 52
Chesapeake, Oh 45619
740-867-8342
Plenty of 8N's, down to one 600.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 8N vs Ferguson 2085 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Seems like there's a great idea in there(for a T-shirt)just for us tractor guys, Ferguson or Ford, or both.

Jeff
 
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