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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:51 pm    Post subject: Adding AFT to Diesel fuel Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I heard about adding ATF to your fuel in the trucks prior to the ULSD now out there.
Has anyone gone though a DOT tank dip with ATF in the fuel?
I would think the red would show.
Can you explain your way out of it?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Adding AFT to Diesel fuel Reply to specific post Reply with quote

There was a study on http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=60&f=64 where they sent out a couple dozen different lubricants and had an independant lab test them with the industry standard test.

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The best was 2% bio-diesel, next was 2 cycle oil mixed at 100:1 or so. Many of the store bought snake oils were only marginally better than fuel alone and many were worse.

The tests were not the whole story as lubricity is only part of the puzzle, but an important one.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Adding AFT to Diesel fuel Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I am willing to bet the pretty red color would get one of those "underage" DOT men all hot and bothered. Probably be hard to convince him/her it was just ATF. I used to run it in my old 6.9/73 mechanical motors with the low sulfer first came out. The pump would begin to act up primarily at idle with a little ATF added all along. I noticed a month after the ULSD came out my fuel filter housing went to leaking on my powerstroke. Local Ford man said there was a rash of those drain valves leaking. Apparenlty the ULSD has more solvent. Also noticed the mileage has gone down nearly a point. WOOO HOOO, just what we need, less potent fuel.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:41 am    Post subject: Re: Adding AFT to Diesel fuel Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hi Brian,

I put on 300k miles on a VW diesel running type F ATF @1qt/50gal.

In my test jar, I had to add 100 times the ATF quanity listed above, just to get a very slight color change.

I now have about 25k miles on my 2002 F350 PSD out of 27k miles total miles using ATF. ATF cuts the injector noise in half and is a great injector lube and that's with the cheapest type F, I can buy.

Type F has been used in diesels since the 1950's as far as I know, and it could be earlier? What other additive on the market has that kind of proven track record?

A guy on thedieselstop.com, user= TexasTownCar, services a small fleet of hotshot PSD engines, and without ATF they get about 300k miles from injectors and with using ATF they get about 500k miles between injector changes.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:49 am    Post subject: Re: Adding AFT to Diesel fuel Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hi Brian,

You don't have to "explain your way out of it" because there is absolutely no law against the practice.

If they give ya any static, I'd be for makin' a run at the court system. :>)

Allan
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:42 am    Post subject: Re: Correction Adding AFT to Diesel fuel Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Sorry, That should read 1qt/100gal of ATF/Diesel

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Adding AFT to Diesel fuel Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Didnt TTC pass away, or did he just quit posting on TDS. I thought he passed away, but could be wrong.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Adding AFT to Diesel fuel Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hi John,

Yes, TTC passed away about 2yrs ago from complications of a F350 truck accident that he was in about 6mths before he died.

TTC was turely one of the greatest website contributors as he donated his time and money to help resolve Fords cackle issue with the 7.3PSD without asking any thing in return.

I sure miss reading his numerous threads and his website info.

I just tried to post a link too the TexasTownCar.com website and found out that some low life scum bag has now taken the TTC website name for a search engine for selling auto's.

How low can a person go that steals a deadman's handle for profit!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Adding AFT to Diesel fuel Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I posted the following earlier on Tractor Talk. It seems relevant to this topic so here it is again.

I picked up 500 gallons of used but clean refrigerant oil (used in big chillers) for free from a Craigslist ad. It is similar to hydraulic oil but is formulated from a different base stock. It will not wax up in cold weather. I am running it at about 10-20%. Most of my diesel fuel use goes into my 12 valve Cummins. I also put it in my log spliter and can't see any difference after 5 hours.

I don't notice any performance difference in the Dodge. I assume it is adding lubricity and will also lower the gel point. I'll bet that most HVAC contractors have to pay to have it hauled off.

If anybody thinks I am nuts, I like to hear from them.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Adding AFT to Diesel fuel Reply to specific post Reply with quote

actually Allen it is an unapproved and untaxed fuel which can get you in trouble( and has )and it can also be( and has been fined) as dyed fuel. dyed fuel is still dyed fuel even if you have paid road tax.
if you want to stay away from legal problems keep red out of the tank. if you are unconcerned with those problems just put in red fuel in the first place
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: Adding AFT to Diesel fuel Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That's exactly what I'm saying.

I can pi$$ in the fuel tank if I want and if it should come out titty pink, so be it; it is still not against the law.

Anyone that rolls over on that one needs to get in line with the other circus elephants and grab a tail. :>)

I wish one of those cardboard cowboys would try that will me sometime. I'd have his job before the day was out.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Adding AFT to Diesel fuel Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Actually Allen I dont give A didly what you or anyone else on this board does but I knew a guy that tried exactly this in south dakota got mouthy and they impounded the truck. he later got by with $1000 fine all the lawyers he contacted said he was burning untaxed fuel. not dyed diesel but untaxed atf. which is what he admitted to. again if you end up with even a trace of red in fuel system you can be subject to up to a $10,0000 fine.just trying to save some poor sob a lot of trouble and coin.Paul
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Adding AFT to Diesel fuel Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I hope they lubed him up before they took his money! I have been tapped twice now, with ATF IN THE TANK, and you cant even tell its in there, so he must have used ALOT of atf.
 
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