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JoeK(WI)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:14 am    Post subject: Winter mileage Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Poor mileage recently on 2006 4x4 Rock,but mostly cold and short trips.Using onboard electronics,have found that from a cold(zeroish ambient)start and hiway driveaway,it takes appx 5-6 miles before"drag" from driveline frees up and running mpg increases.Local dealer had a"special" on entire driveline"drain and replace w/synthetic"swap.Might be well worth looking into as I'm thinkin a 20-40% mpg increase in that first few miles could add up.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:27 am    Post subject: Re: Winter mileage Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don't think that putting synthetic in there will totally remove the cold fluid drag issues.
Should help some though.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: Winter mileage Reply to specific post Reply with quote

a 2006 probably allready has synthetic lube except in the engine.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Winter mileage Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'm in Wi too and mileage go's down when it's cold. My vehicle is in a heated garage. Maybe dense cold air is harder to push through or the 500 lbs of salt weighing you down.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Winter mileage Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I switched everything to Amsoil, and notice a positive difference.......now whether it pays for itself, I don't know, but I started a commercial account with Amsoil, so now it's affordable.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Winter mileage Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Be careful. I would suggest following the manufacturer's recommendations. It might save you a whole lot of hassle later.

Admittedly it was about 30 years ago, but I got the bright idea to change the oil in my transmission and rear end in my Duster to synthetic from 90W gear lube. The car sat out all the time, and sometimes I would have to drive it for a mile or more before I could get it to shift out of low. I bought the Amsoil gear lube from a local dealer for about $50 to$60, and they said I would love how it worked. It did make the transmission shift much easier when it was cold, and probably did increase my gas mileage a small amount.

However, within a year, both the transmission and rear end started making unhealthy sounding noises. I ended up needing to put all new bearings in the transmission. The rear end was too far gone to fix, with wear on the bearings and ring and pinion. I just replaced the whole rear end with one from a wrecking yard. Both got new regular gear lube, and both are still in that old Duster.

Now maybe the synthetic lubes have improved since then, but it would be very hard to convince me to use them unless the manufacturer says they would be OK for that application. Good luck!
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:31 am    Post subject: Re: Winter mileage Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Joe
Another thing we who live on the tundra have to consider is engine temp. ECU measures intake air & coolant temp, adjusting injectors as needed. It runs richer until warmed up. Also ECU won't let trans shift to high gear when engine is cold, supposedly to aid quicker warm-up. Just something we have to live with until warmer weather.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:17 am    Post subject: Re: Winter mileage Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hi Joe,

I would think you already have synthetic oil in the drive train.

Have you retrianed your driving style for a DBW system?

I would also think you would loose 15% winter fuel mileage from using 15w40 instead of 10w30 oil. Just my guess as we don't have winter here but from what I observed while I was in Co.

On my 02 F350 DRW PSD, I found I loose 15% fuel mileage just from pushing the go pedal a tad too hard to work up RPM. I not talking about going from jack rabbit starts to grandpa driving either but just adding to much fuel too fast. I've observed that most traffic will get too 45mph after 200ft of leaving a stop light. Me, well traffic goes around me.

On my fuel mileage test road, same road, same time of day, using the same fuel pump, I found about 10% loss of fuel mileage for every 5mph of speed increase over 55mph upto 70mph. This is from holding a steady fuel pedal. Using cruise control would be less.

My 27k mile life time fuel mileage is ***15.2mpg*** that includes pulling 16kGCW to 31kGCW load weight for 9000k miles.

My average Arizona to Colorado trips pulling 16kGCW is 14.2mpg RT. That's 1800ft to 11000ft to 6000ft then return. All fuel mileage is hand calculated.

My average Az trips from 1800ft to 9000ft RT, pulling 16kGCW is 16.5mpg. That's because Az doesn't have as long of grades that Co has.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: Winter mileage Reply to specific post Reply with quote

willie in mn wrote:
(quoted from post at 06:31:35 02/13/0Cool Joe
Another thing we who live on the tundra have to consider is engine temp. ECU measures intake air & coolant temp, adjusting injectors as needed. It runs richer until warmed up. Also ECU won't let trans shift to high gear


willie in mn is correct... it's easy to see that's true on any newer vehicle that has a tach -- it won't shift into high/OD until engine/trans temp is up to specs... that, along with the cold drag, will certainly cut into your short trip milage... I think you already have synthetic oil from the factory, too.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:55 am    Post subject: Re: Winter mileage Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Put Amsoil in the engine, transmission, transfer cases & diffs on my vehicles. Winter mileage on trips over 5 miles is the same as summer.
 
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