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bmiller36
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:55 am    Post subject: waterbase paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I was just wondering if anyone has used some of the new waterbase paints on the market for painting a tractor? I know that most or all of the new cars are waterbased paint,also doesn"t john deere use waterbase on there combines? just wondering. Thanks bob
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:39 pm    Post subject: Re: waterbase paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Far as I know the only automotive quallity water soluable paint available to the public is the base cote only in a bc/cc system. The clear is still solvent based. What the public is allowed to buy is a long shot away from the technology and chemical superiority used in state of the art factories. They are not using it because it is nessessarily better , they are using it because of ever more stringent EPA factory emissions regs. You don't gain anyway because base cote doesn't use an isocyanate additive anyway. The clear does. Just bite the bullet and get a supplied air respirator. They are good for a lot more than just painting. Sand blasting , primering , bondo/sanding dust , chemical stripping etc. Isocyanates are not the only thing one shouldn't breath.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:40 pm    Post subject: Re: waterbase paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've never used the waterbased paint. From the feedback I've been seeing waterbased paint is the reason you see so many cars today with the paint pealing off. I definitely will not use any vehicle of mine for a guinea pig. I will stay with a 2k urethane.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: waterbase paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Use PPG's Omni or their acrylic enamel if sold in your area. You'll be glad you did. Also use use an epoxy primer and a surfacer over the primer. I used acrylic enamel on my garden tractor looks pretty good for being 42 years old. Hal

 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:45 pm    Post subject: Re: waterbase paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

i will be switching over to waterbase within the next year or so. right now, the base coat is waterborne, substrates and clears are traditional. drying is different, air amplifiers are used, not a downdraft bake cycle. different spray guns are required also. performance is on par with a urethane base clear system. special de-ionized water is used for reducers. paint match is easier to do also. for the hobbyist or weekend warrior, it will be very spendy to make the switch initially. you still need to suit up with waterborne, prolly even more so than conventional, as the water carrier is readily absorbed thru skin and lungs.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: waterbase paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My recommendation is to use the current paint until you can no longer buy it. As Glennster says it requires some changes which are going to be expensive. I may even stock up on the current urethane paints, reducers and primers, etc if I find out when my current dealer will have to stop selling it. The only reason the change is being made is to reduce VOC's. This will not be the paint that caused the paint peeling on new cars in the late 80's early 90's. That happened when the car companies were forced into the base clear system before they had researched the paint enough. I do not think it happened in indivdiual body shops, Glennster or B maniac can correct me.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: waterbase paint Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I think most or all tractor manufacturers use electrostatic applications--don't ask me to explain that!
 
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