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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:03 pm    Post subject: problem with 94 winchester Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I figured it out recently. Last time I shot it was a couple years ago, would cycle fine all day, as long as you didn't pull the trigger on a live round. Then it took a lot of finegelling to get the action opened, and it would cycle just fine again.

Bought a box of shells a couple weeks ago and decided to fire one to see if I could find the problem. Worked perfect.

When it started acting up a couple years ago, I was running Hornaday's LeverEvolution ammo through it.

Must have been hot enough to expand the shell out against the chamber- and maybe move the head back into the bolt- enough that friction was stopping it.

Even if I had the rest of that box, I wouldn't use it.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: problem with 94 winchester Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Another reason I NEVER hot load a round when I reload and I always use the starting load and have found that is more then enough to handle any thing I want to shoot at
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: problem with 94 winchester Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The LeveRevolution cartridge uses a special powder developed specifically for .30-30, and it's intended to give higher velocities than other powders while not exceeding maximum safe pressures. That said, no two guns are exactly alike, and apparently yours doesn't like the pressure curve of LeveRevolution powder. I'm guessing brass was flowing around the extractor, jamming the bolt. It's a little late to check now, but I'll bet there was bright spot on the heads of your fired cases where the extruded brass was sheared off during extraction.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: problem with 94 winchester Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have never tryed it in my 94 But i do love there SST's in the mossburg as now a 200+ yard shot is not out of the question with a rifled barrel And there 30-06 stuff did real well in my 06 . But i will have to try the 30-30 stuff to see how it works in my low round 94 as it has only had less then 20 rounds thru it in the 36 years i have owned it.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: problem with 94 winchester Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have a '51 94 in about 95% condition. Those pre '64 94s are things of beauty, just some bluing worn off from carrying it in the woods.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: problem with 94 winchester Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Ammo makes a big difference. I had extraction problems with a .22 automatic pistol. I switched to CCI ammo with steel cases and no more problem. I figured the brass cases were expanding enough to cause the problem.

I also have a 9mm automatic pistol that's flawless with Remington ammo. Load it with Winchester ammo, and I can guarantee it will "stovepipe" on the last round. The obvious solution is I don't use Winchester ammo in it.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: problem with 94 winchester Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I agree. Ammo makes all the diference in the world. I have heard that FN Herstal specifically says in their owners manual to use CCI for that reason. I just picked up a small Heritage Rough rider .22 for my mother for home defense. Its a nice little guy that comes with two cylinders, .22 long and .22 magnum. The long likes brass Winchester, but 4 out of six Winchester magnum stick on extraction, but no trouble with CCI. I guess it all depends. I've never had a problem with Hornaday in any of my rifles, other than it is not cheap. But, we have to make decisions.

Shotgun season ended in Indiana today. Just before sundown I went out with an old Harrington Richardson Model 176 10GA goose gun I picked up recently and tried it out. Holy cow. Kicks like a howitzer. I'm gonna have to pick my shots carefully because if I'm in the weeds in a row boat and pull the trigger, I get the sense that I'm doing a backwards flip into the swim. Grin.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:47 am    Post subject: Re: problem with 94 winchester Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Speaking of ammo, when I was in west Omaha a couple of weeks ago I swung into Cabela's and bought a couple hundred rounds of 7.62x39 for my AK-47.

When I checked out, the gal asked for my phone number. Without questioning it, I gave her my phone number 'cause places are always asking for phone numbers, zip codes, etc. for marketing and market studies.

After I'd paid and walked out, it hit me. The government doesn't even need to track firearms, all they need to do is track ammo purchases. And I'm sure anyone buying any quantity of ammo for an assault type weapon would throw up a red flag.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: problem with 94 winchester Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I am pretty sure they do that for all purchases, it's for advertising.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:15 am    Post subject: Re: problem with 94 winchester Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I would check out the chamber very carefully... Dirty? Corroded? Worn? Look over the fired brass to see if there are any marks indicating a damaged chamber. Polishing it out with a brass brush may help. Else might be a good idea to have a gunsmith with a borescope really check it out. Also is the firing pin properly retracting after firing?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: problem with 94 winchester Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Not that they're doing it, I was just saying.........
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: problem with 94 winchester Reply to specific post Reply with quote

daughter in law carried my old 336 this year shooting those leverlution shells.never have had a problem with it feeding a shell out of magazine in all the years ive owned it,but for some reason it didnt like to feed the last shell out of the magazine using these. i do like the way they shoot and work on deer. and this problem didnt show up untill i opened a new box of shells.the older box i had functioned perfectly through it,really strange.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: problem with 94 winchester Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have an old 38 revolver that takes S&W shells a true .380".

I had to order the last shells for it @ $40 a box of 50. They sold me Remington 140 grain. While taking my CCL class the thing jam bed twice. Went to truck and got my Winchester brand shells, cleaned cylinder, tryed again, worked fine.

Now if I could find good amo at a fair price.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:14 pm    Post subject: Re: problem with 94 winchester Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yep, Cabela's by me asks for my telephone number after every purchase, check or credit card, guns and ammo, or not. I never tried paying cash in there. I don't know. They have my number, road address, email address, but I've never heard from them. Other guys I know get stuff in the mail or email from them all the time.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: problem with 94 winchester Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I think one of the reasons, is so they know if the ammo is legal in your state. I think Gander Mountain told me that's why they needed it. I don't think I have been in either place without buying ammo.

That said, the Cabella's in Kearney is a big disappointment, trying to put together a long weekend trip into the panhandle with a stop in Sydney.
 
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