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Ronald in NWMO
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:39 am    Post subject: Square Baler PTO Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

In wheat straw's post, Case Nutty put on some scans of older Case square balers. I noticed that the older balers all had motors on them. I was wondering when the PTO first became an option and when the motor was no longer an option. Case balers were never popular here in NWMO for some reason and I can count on one hand the number of them that I have seen in my life. Thanks to all
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: Square Baler PTO Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

pto drive was available in the 130/140 for sure starting in 1953 and on the 140 maybe earlier, not sure about the NCM units until I can look, as to engine balers Case offered them all the way through production of the 230/330 models which ended in 1970 or early 1971 cnt
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: Square Baler PTO Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

new holland offered a motor on a baler in the 80s, i bet they still do ..
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: Square Baler PTO Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Wow, you learn something new every day. I had no idea that motors were still available in the 70's and 80's. I would not think that they sold many that way. Maybe mostly to the Amish and Mennonites??? Thanks
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:52 am    Post subject: Re: Square Baler PTO Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Well if you think about it this way. What happens to the guy who wants to bale some hay but only has a small as in not enough HP tractor on the PTO. Well he buys a baler with it own engine so then the tractor can both pull the baler and he can bale hay. Ya not what you see every day but it is done.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: Square Baler PTO Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Tom, Is the 330 baler the bigest they made
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:12 am    Post subject: Re: Square Baler PTO Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The 330 was the biggest capacity baler that Case offered in the 70s, and was the only model available with wire twisters. An older 140 or 160 Case baler would make much more dense and better shaped bales than a 330 and had a bigger appetite in big windrows also, but they were heavy to haul around on hills, and were not equiped with a bale tosser.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: Square Baler PTO Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CASE had PTO on there baler"s back in the 1930.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: Square Baler PTO Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

and rich ,you forgot to mention , if that little tractor did not have live power ,,the tractor could stop as needed and the baler will keep plumging away
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Square Baler PTO Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If you want to run a baler at maximum capacity it needs to have an engine on it OR you need a hydrostatic drive on the tractor pulling it. Particularly true if the tractor has only a 4 or 8 speed transmission. Of course, the new infinitely variable transmissions will also allow maximum throughput of a PTO machine.
If you go to the big westcoast hay operations you will see a lot of New Holland and Freeman balers with engines.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Square Baler PTO Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes, a little tractor or lack of live PTO would be a good reason to have a motor on the baler. I just did not think that there would be a big enough market at that time for them to provide that option. Maybe the Company listened more to the little guy at that time. As Bradley said, it is interesting how other parts of the country do things differently.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Square Baler PTO Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

In central TX you never saw a PTO baler. We baled a lot of Johnson Grass and sorgum type grasses like Haygrazer. This was coarse heavy stuff and the farmers would use VACs, and SCs, especially when they came out with foot throttles, Ford 8Ns, JD Ms, and Farmall Cs and Hs to bale with. When you hit a thick spot you just throttled the tractor down to let the baler catch up. That is why foot throttle tractors and balers with their own engines were popular around us.I didn't see a PTO baler until 1966.Those that listened to the users did well.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Square Baler PTO Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Here in Missouri I have yet to see a self propelled baler but when I was a truck driver I saw more then one way out west
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Square Baler PTO Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

when I put up 1200 acres of hay here I had two self-propelled NH square bales I still have one today
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Square Baler PTO Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Ah but are you in Missouri?? And if you are you most be up in north Missouri because that is the only area of MO that is flat enough to use one LOL
 
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