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notjustair
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:35 pm    Post subject: What were they thinking? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Just came in from evening chores. It's a cold one out there - 19 degrees gets in you bones. I love my chore tractor but about right now a cab would be nice.

I was thinking about this as I closed up the shed - what were the designers of the N series thinking when they made reverse so fast? I know it has been talked about before, but I don't remember hearing an answer. Course, we weren't around when they were designed.

I got to thinking about it because I will bet that's where the clutch wear comes from if they were used for some chores. I can't think of a case where I backed up around the farm that I took my foot completely off the clutch. They aren't big enough of course, but I would hate to do much chore work with one just for that. They are a fun little yard tractor but man that reverse is insane.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: What were they thinking? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I completely agree with you. The utility of the N would have been greatly improved by a slower 1st and an R1 and R2 or a slower R1.

Nonetheless, they are impressive machines and I love'em.

Colin, MN

PS: Never got above a minus 8 here today.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: What were they thinking? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'll bet that if the TheOldHokie put his mind to it he could make us a set of gears to about half the speed of the 8N four speed reverse??????

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: What were they thinking? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Can't really tell by looking at the parts book breakdown of the 8N transmission but it looks like the reverse idler could be made twice it's current size and the gear on the cluster gear half it's present size and a hunk be cut out of the transmission housing to make room for the idler gear and a big patch be welded over the too big gear?????????????

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: What were they thinking? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It is just to bad there are not a lot of Sherman "step down" trannys. I would be interested in at least 3. joe
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: What were they thinking? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

ZANE wrote:
(quoted from post at 19:20:18 01/21/13) Can't really tell by looking at the parts book breakdown of the 8N transmission but it looks like the reverse idler could be made twice it's current size and the gear on the cluster gear half it's present size and a hunk be cut out of the transmission housing to make room for the idler gear and a big patch be welded over the too big gear?????????????

Zane
John Smith went through all this reverse gear stuff in a post a few years ago, comparing 8N to NAA and IF I remember correctly, the 8N shared maybe 2nd or 3rd with reverse and with NAA they added a dedicated reverse idler drive gear to get a lower reverse. But you can't swap them.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: What were they thinking? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

NJA,
I agree!! Not sure,but I think the reverse on my 8N is faster than my 2N. It gets tough when moving a trailer half clutched that has 1000 plus pounds of firewood on it. As one forum member mentioned, still enjoy the N tractors.
Tonight it will approach 30 degrees below zero, no added wind chill. Dangerous wind chill advisory in effect til Tuesday morning.
Mr. T. Minnesota
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:39 pm    Post subject: Re: What were they thinking? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Mr. T. Minnesota wrote:
(quoted from post at 20:27:53 01/21/13) NJA,
I agree!! Not sure,but I think the reverse on my 8N is faster than my 2N. It gets tough when moving a trailer half clutched that has 1000 plus pounds of firewood on it. As one forum member mentioned, still enjoy the N tractors.
Tonight it will approach 30 degrees below zero, no added wind chill. Dangerous wind chill advisory in effect til Tuesday morning.
Mr. T. Minnesota
Your 2N/8N impression is correct.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: What were they thinking? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

you can use a sherman trans up to a 1964 in an 8N all you have to do is change the clutch disc. The NAA disc has the correct spline. I have a three speed trans. Just missing the mounting plate. I have seen a machine shop make that part.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: What were they thinking? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have an 8N with the NAA "hump" for the oversize reverse idler but it is not slower than any other. Same old 8N reverse.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:45 pm    Post subject: Re: What were they thinking? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

With ya on a Sherman low. I had heard that 2nd and rev. were the same ratio,but I really never looked.Even step down for 1st and reverse alone.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: What were they thinking? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The later aux trans. had over under and direct. That is the one I have.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: What were they thinking? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

They might have been thinking, "how can we save a nickel?"
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: What were they thinking? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Bingo.

Ford was/is an automotive company.

The top three design criteria for automotive manufacturers have long been:

1. cost;

2. cost;

3. cost.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:18 pm    Post subject: Re: What were they thinking? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

JMOR wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:12:53 01/22/13) They might have been thinking, "how can we save a nickel?"


When you are working a tractor usually you are going forward. Plowing you might go for hours without using reverse. When you need reverse, for what ever reason, you want to do it quick so you can get back to work!
Works for me!!! LOL
 
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