Some thing to think about

[dlbuck]

So I guess all the people that build roads, trucks and cars, farm and construction equipment, build houses, barns, skyscrapers, pour cement, enforce the law, fight fires, drive ambulances, deliver fuel and commodities including farm supplies, doctors, lawyers, and Indian Chiefs and many, many, many other occupations don't have any worth because they are not farmers.

 

[CaseChev]

dlbuck..... Amen......amen

 

[ss55]

Bruce, would it be safer for both you and for the other motorists to drive one of your Kubota tractors on high traffic paved roads instead of the 1960s Case? Tractors build within the last 50 years have far better warning flashers and they also have turn signals that today's motorists are much more likely to recognize than hand signals or a single dim flashing light.

Sure, in theory every motorists is supposed to know the old hand signals but we just don't see them used much anymore. Drivers are more likely to see roundabouts or J-turns than hand signals, and most of us have not read a diver's manual recently enough to know what to do in those either.

 

[Traditional Farmer]

Exactly right,really without the folks that supply energy farmers and everyone else would be drawn to a standstill.Farmers are just a tooth in the cog of the economy.

 

[Traditional Farmer]

Look on EWG website plenty of farmers are getting gov't money.Crop insurance is a direct payment BTW

 

[Steven Allen]

Well, it'd be safer if everyone just stayed in bed, right?

I don't get the idea that somehow we are supposed to accommodate others' stupidity just to keep them safe.

As for keeping us safe from the stupid, it's just not possible. The quality of the turn signals will make no difference whatsoever. How many car vs. car accidents happen because people don't pay attention to turn signals?

 

[Steven Allen]

Sure. the farmer isn't special in the sense that all cogs are necessary, but nobody is calling for an end to electricity or plumbing.

Urban dwellers have no idea how they get their food.

 

[Dave G9N]

(quoted from post at 06:17:51 08/22/23) Sure. the farmer isn't special in the sense that all cogs are necessary, but nobody is calling for an end to electricity or plumbing.

Urban dwellers have no idea how they get their food.

Not an end, just a major reduction. The irony is that the folks in the cities who are most in favor of the plan to reduce energy consumption will be the first to suffer the consequences.

No Farmers, No Food, No Life
The world is now facing a man-made food catastrophe. It is reaching crisis levels.

Current policies in many parts of the world place a priority on climate change for realizing a green new deal. Meanwhile, such policies will contribute to children dying from severe malnutrition due to broken food systems, with shortages of food and water, stress, anxiety, fear, and dangerous chemical exposure.

Sri Lanka banned organic fertilizers which cut crop yields in half. And as we found out, when people are hungry, they have more incentive to protest and occupy Presidential Palaces.

High energy and fertilizer prices are more damaging than food export curtailment from Ukraine and Russia for food prices, health and the environment
Nature Food volume 4, pages 8495 (2023)Cite this article
Abstract

Higher food prices arising from restrictions on exports from Russia or Ukraine have been exacerbated by energy price rises, leading to higher costs for agricultural inputs such as fertilizer. Here, using a scenario modelling approach, we quantify the potential outcomes of increasing agricultural input costs and the curtailment of exports from Russia and Ukraine on human health and the environment. We show that, combined, agricultural inputs costs and food export restrictions could increase food costs by 60100% in 2023 from 2021 levels, potentially leading to undernourishment of 61107 million people in 2023 and annual additional deaths of 416,000 to 1.01 million people if the associated dietary patterns are maintained. Furthermore, reduced land use intensification arising from higher input costs would lead to agricultural land expansion and associated carbon and biodiversity loss. The impact of agricultural input costs on food prices is larger than that from curtailment of Russian and Ukrainian exports. Restoring food trade from Ukraine and Russia alone is therefore insufficient to avoid food insecurity problem from higher energy and fertilizer prices. We contend that the immediacy of the food export problems associated with the war diverted attention away from the principal causes of current global food insecurity.