About to use POR-15 Fuel Tank sealer in my 706

Hello!

I'm About to use POR-15 Fuel Tank sealer in my 706

I am wondering if there's anything in particular I need to be careful of when applying the POR-15 as far as being careful not to block anything inside. I think I know how to get all the rust out now (Evapo-Rust) and use the etching compound, but I just want to be sure there's no special think I need to be aware of before pouring the POR-15 into the tank. I'm going to place saran wrap over the filler neck before putting the cap on to prevent it from sticking. Going to heat it up before pouring it in to make sure ALL moisture is out. anything else?

any advice is appreciated.
 
Well, tank is out.
Ready for R&R.

I guess the POR discussions are worn out and nobody cares to chime in. Makes no diff. You read up and come to your own conclusions usually anyway. POR-15 it is.
 
,I have used a couple different sealers but not POR15 sealer. What I do is remove rust by mechanical means so can't comment with certainly that POR 15 will or will not adhere to Evapo Rust. Try contacting POR 15 people would be my advice. I do know not getting it correct the first time creates a H of a mess.
 
Hello!

I'm About to use POR-15 Fuel Tank sealer in my 706

I am wondering if there's anything in particular I need to be careful of when applying the POR-15 as far as being careful not to block anything inside. I think I know how to get all the rust out now (Evapo-Rust) and use the etching compound, but I just want to be sure there's no special think I need to be aware of before pouring the POR-15 into the tank. I'm going to place saran wrap over the filler neck before putting the cap on to prevent it from sticking. Going to heat it up before pouring it in to make sure ALL moisture is out. anything else?

any advice is appreciated.
I've been through an event with internal gas tank sealer on a tractor I bought. With the mess and consequences I would not go that route myself except possibly pouring in fiberglass. I only do tank repairs from the outside. I've had great results from Permatex tank repair in multiple applications.
I personally don't know the track records on POR-15?
Please let us know how you make out, thanks.
 
I use POR15 on every tractor I restore, like seven and counting. The only thing I have to do is when I am finished and the POR15 has cured. You will have to carefully clean out the threads on the bung for the sediment bowel. I use a 3/8" pipe tap. Oh, and don't get the POR15 on any thing you don't want it on, it is permanent.

OTJ
 
Well, tank is out.
Ready for R&R.

I guess the POR discussions are worn out and nobody cares to chime in. Makes no diff. You read up and come to your own conclusions usually anyway. POR-15 it is.
Pretty much every tank sealer thread that I have seen here since 2001 is about finding pieces of it in the tank of a tractor just bought. You need to get all of the rust out. Otherwise you are providing a better home for the rust to grow in.
 
This subject seems to pop up pretty frequently on here. If you search, you'll find lots of old threads about it. This was my response to a similar thread a few weeks ago:

There are lots of thoughts/opinions. The general consensus usually seems to be if you're tank's leaking, RedKote or the POR-15 liners are best. But, if it's not leaking and just rusty, you're far, far better off to clean/strip and give it a few rinses in WD40 to coat the bare surfaces. Nothing wrong with a liner if the prep work's done right and the tank is properly stripped/cleaned before applying it. But there are oodles of horror stories of liners not put in properly that start to disintegrate and plug up the fuel system after several years. Prep work is key, regardless of brand.

I have an old Fiat convertible I'm still running off a boat tank in the back seat because the PO did a lousy job prepping for the liner. It started to dissolve, and once they start to dissolve it's a huge pain to try and get it all stripped out. I've had to strip a few liners out of tractor tanks after they've started to degrade an plug up the fuel system. It's a nightmare to get them fully stripped, and thus I've procrastinated on doing the Fiat. In the future I'll probably avoid buying any tractor or vehicle that someone else has put a liner in, because there's a good chance they didn't do the prep work properly and I'll just end up fighting it in a few years. The acids and chemicals you need to strip a poorly-done liner are not friendly to anything, and it's a long, tedious process. Again: If it's not leaking, don't put a liner in it.

To clean, strip, and prep for a liner (or to clean a rusty tank even if you're not using a liner) there's a big difference in what works best, depending on whether it's rust or grime. For pure rust, it's hard to beat a good acid. Hydrochloric/muriatic seems to be a popular choice, but I prefer phosphoric (naval jelly) as it converts any remaining bare metal into iron 3 oxide, which is more stable and prevents further corrosion (compared to regular rust, which is primarily iron 2 oxide).

If, however, there's any grime/sludge in there, neither acids nor any off-the-shelf rust-remover will touch it. I've found the best stuff for this is a high-strength degreaser. There's a degreaser that comes in purple jugs called 'super clean' that works wonders, but I'm sure other degreasers will do just as well. If there's a combination of rust and sludge, the rust removers and acids won't work until the sludge is removed first.

My method is probably not perfect, but I've had good luck with it: First, pressure wash as well as you can to remove all loose/chunkular bits. After pressure washing, drain the water and use the degreaser: Pour some in, swirl it around, let sit for 15 minutes (swirling occasionally), drain, repeat about 3-4 times. Remember that huge volumes of product aren't required. More rinses with smaller amounts are far better than one big rinse with a pile of product. One 4 quart jug of the purple stuff is more than enough for one tank.

After draining the degreaser for the last time, air dry as best you can with a blow gun and do an acid wash. Similar process to the degreaser, unless the tank's incredibly rusty, in which case I strap the tank to my cement mixer with the acid and a handful of bolts/length of chain inside and let it tumble itself clean. Make sure whatever you put in there to tumble is magnetic as it makes it a lot easier to remove if you can use a magnetic pickup tool. I once foolishly put some stainless bolts in a tank that had a really awkward inset filler cap, and it took ages to shake them out.

Once done the acid wash, I rinse with water and quickly air dry again with a blow gun as best I can.

If you're not using a liner, I then do a rinse with WD40. It displaces any remaining moisture (that's what the 'WD' in 'WD40' stands for: Water Displacement). It also coats any bare metal to prevent rusting, and penetrates it's way into any crevices/seams. If you're using a liner, obviously avoid the WD40 and go to the etching compound.

The best way to prevent future rusting is to keep it full, but if for any reason I'm not planning on keeping a tank full (and I'm not using a liner), I'll give it one last rinse with two-stroke oil to further coat any bare metal.

It sounds like a lot of work. But if you're not prepared to do a really long, thorough job stripping and prepping, a liner will eventually cause far more grief than it saves.

I've completely flip-flopped on my attitude toward liners. I used to love them, but I've bought two tractors (and the Fiat) that have had disintegrated liners. I'm still ok using a liner to seal a leak in a tank on a working tractor, but wouldn't use one in a restoration or anything I intended to hang onto for a few decades. And again: If I'm putting one in, I'd put oodles of time into the prep work.

I've also lost patience for the store-bought rust removers ('Evap-O-Rust', or similar products). They work ok...ish... for light surface rust. But for any heavier rust they aren't nearly as effective as acids and a good tumble with bolts/chain.
 
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I used red kote on two. I have a concrete mixer so was able to tumble with bolts and nails til the inside was rustfree. Tehn followed manufacturers direction. The only caution I will advise, if you think you can get by with one quart, better buy two. You want to really have an abundance of juice in there sloshing around so everthing is adequately covered. They do get akward and heavy to tumble around. Good luck both of mine are good so far. gobble
 
Hello!

I'm About to use POR-15 Fuel Tank sealer in my 706

I am wondering if there's anything in particular I need to be careful of when applying the POR-15 as far as being careful not to block anything inside. I think I know how to get all the rust out now (Evapo-Rust) and use the etching compound, but I just want to be sure there's no special think I need to be aware of before pouring the POR-15 into the tank. I'm going to place saran wrap over the filler neck before putting the cap on to prevent it from sticking. Going to heat it up before pouring it in to make sure ALL moisture is out. anything else?

any advice is appreciated.
A very dry tank is your friend. Stan
 
Lots of great advice. Wasn't expecting it but sure am grateful for it all. The tank is not leaking as far as I know, just lots of rust inside that keeps clogging it up. My fear with not coating the inside is that the rust will quickly return. I fully appreciate the horror stories on treatments gone wrong.

Should 1 Quart be enough to do the IH 706 fuel tank? (If I decide to give it a shot) I am going to do my best to follow the manufacturers advice on prep. I also understand that warming the tank to run out any residual moisture before the POR-15 tank sealer is used is a good idea.
 
As I started getting the rust out of the tank, I found that there is a large baffle located just past the fill cap and that effectively cuts off the entire front lobe of the tank from inspection or nuts and bolts for de-rusting. That complicated things a lot. I'm going to use my borescope to try to get a few pics. Pretty sure this was to limit sloshing of the fuel?

I don't think I've heard anyone else mention this but it's a big deal (I think). There's only a small slit at the bottom that allows fuel to pass from the front chamber to the rear chamber. Here is my best attempt at a drawing of what I mean. Cleaning and treating the chamber that has the fill cap is no problem but I have no idea how anyone dealt with that other narrow chamber in front of the baffle?

It seems to my small mind tht the only way to do the front part is to cut an access hole about 3 or 4 inches in diameter?
I'm beginning to think I may have to fabricate an aluminum fuel cell for my tractor.



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Or I may be forced to use something like this.....

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17 Gal Aluminum Street Rod Fuel Cell
Condition:100% Brand New
Warranty: 90 Day
Color:Black
Capacity:17 Gallon / 64 L
Fuel Sender: 0-90 OHM
Material:Aluminum
Tank Measures: 30"(L) X17"(W) X7" (H)
Filler Neck With Cap: 1.75"
Fuel sender: 0-90 Ohm
8 AN Fuel Pickup
8 AN Rollover Vent
8 AN Fuel Return




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We have a International 300 utility that has that very style of fuel tank. I contemplated lining it but like you realized that getting the liner flowing around and through the baffle was going to be a challenge, if not impossible. I used e-85 to clean my tank and added a inline filter to catch the rust. It continues to be a minor plroblem. gobble
 
I guess everyone determines their level of perfection when doing remedies to old tractors. If it would be my tank for that age tractor I would fix any holes from the outside, as that may still give many years of trouble free service. Having filtration that can handle impurities without quickly clogging fuel flow is helpful. All this vs. changing the appearance of the tractor with a new 'square corner' tank? What is important to you, is that you feel good about your course of action (not what others think).
 
It would be nice to save the OEM tank if possible.
With that baffle, it seems the only chance to save this tank is to add an inspection port to the other side of the baffle allowing me to get in there and remove rust and prep it properly.

I can get a nylon inspection hatch for around $30 or so.
I've already spent a couple hundred in cleaners, rust removers and POR-15 sealer. I'll have at least $250 in this old tank by the time I can even give it a reasonable chance of a good outcome.

It also possible the POR-15 application will fail and end up a massive mess inside the tank.
Difficult decisions on this.

Or..as has been suggested a few times......

Get as much of the loose rust out as possible then keep the tank as full as possible and maybe use additives to help inhibit rust reforming inside the tank. As far as I know, there are no leaks (yet). I have a large glass filter strainer which is the ONLY way I've been able to use the tractor at all but even that had been filling up with junk quickly and got blocked after every use.
 
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