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If an injector is putting to much fuel in it will smoke. I would run it head and see if it clears up. check to see if it using oil before I would tear into it.
 
I agree with above two posters: Add a good does of sea-foam and/or ATF in the tank and run it hard for a few hours. Those 354's are pretty tough and long-lasting engines, and the 1105's at 110 HP were tuned down well below what those 354's can put out. It'd have to have seen a boat-load of hard use to be needing a rebuild.

It is important to determine if it's coolant, oil, or fuel smoke however. What colour smoke? Any sign of excessive bubbling when looking in rad cap with engine idling? Is the coolant level dropping or oil level rising over time? As long as it wasn't coolant, I'd be running it for a long while before contemplating a rebuild.

You say it's 'not the fuel', because it's fresh fuel. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's not the fuel. Fuel smoking isn't necessarily from bad fuel. Could be from a stuck injector.
 
Richard G. said:
Rings may be stuck.
Get it out and work it hard and see what happens.
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Ditto. First thing is to change the oil and filter. Then put a 16 oz can of Sea Foam in the crankcase with the fresh oil and run the tractor, sitting still, at 1000 RPM for 30 minutes. Shut her down and install new oil and filter. Then, as Richard G. commented, hook it to a good heavy plow and run at PTO RPMs for an hour or so. Take it back to the shop, change the oil and filter again (no Sea Foam this time) and if you still have blue smoke you probably need an overhaul.......but you may be pleasantly surprised......a lot less trouble and expense of an engine overhaul.......that you might not need!!!BTDT
 
Used to be, you could replace those 354s with a good low hour combine engine cheaper than you could overhaul them, and if you're going to pay somebody to do it, it's still true, but the price of them has gone to $3500 to 4000, so parts alone are cheaper.
 
What color smoke? If it's white it's cold combustion, could be from low compression/stuck rings. WARM the block up with the block heater if it has one OR a space heater to REALLY get it warm and see if it will start then.
 
From the research I have done the Perkins used not so good oil rings. My 1105 smokes while sitting at idle. Goes away once you start working it but comes back when you throttle down. Not fuel, rebuilt pump by dieseltech. Tried seafoam didn't change any thing. Its starts at 14 degrees in about 4 seconds of cranking. I just check the oil and top off when needed.
 
pastor Hackett 1277 said:
Tractor runs starting isn't an issue at all just smokes # Blue
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If the rings are stuck in the pistons and can't expand to the circumference of the cylinder you will have "blow by"....oil being blown by the rings by the compression/power stroke cylinder compression. Sea Foam contains Naphtha....you can look up what that is used for. If the rings aren't worn out to the point that they can't expand adequately to seal off the chamber then it is time for an overhaul......SF is a cheap fix if your problem ISN'T worn out rings......just stuck. But if you have deep pockets and nothing to do, have knowledge of overhauling diesels, then forget what I said.....just go ahead and overhaul it!
 
WHY didn't you say that to begin with? Engine at least needs a ring set. Both my 1105 and my brothers 1105 did the same thing years ago, the COMPRESSION rings were OK but the OIL CONTROL rings were so bad that our tractors would use a gallon of oil a day. Perkins had some ring problems for awhile, and a new ring set fixed our tractors of the oil use.
 
While I agree with others that it may be in need of at least a ring job, I'd still be putting a good dose of sea foam in the case and fuel and running it for several hours to see how it cleans up.

It hasn't ran in 20 years after all: You'd be hard-pressed to find any engine that didn't have some stuck rings after sitting for that long. And even if it doesn't clean up, that doesn't mean you have to jump right to a rebuild. If it's only, say, half a quart of oil every 6-8 hours of use and still starts and has all the power you need, you can buy a lot of oil for the cost of a rebuild kit (or even just a ring set). Might as well use it for a while, see how it cleans up, and make sure everything else is working well before immediately tearing into it.
 
DanielW said:
While I agree with others that it may be in need of at least a ring job, I'd still be putting a good dose of sea foam in the case and fuel and running it for several hours to see how it cleans up.

It hasn't ran in 20 years after all: You'd be hard-pressed to find any engine that didn't have some stuck rings after sitting for that long. And even if it doesn't clean up, that doesn't mean you have to jump right to a rebuild. If it's only, say, half a quart of oil every 6-8 hours of use and still starts and has all the power you need, you can buy a lot of oil for the cost of a rebuild kit (or even just a ring set). Might as well use it for a while, see how it cleans up, and make sure everything else is working well before immediately tearing into it.
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I would second Daniel's opinion.
 
DanielW said:
While I agree with others that it may be in need of at least a ring job, I'd still be putting a good dose of sea foam in the case and fuel and running it for several hours to see how it cleans up.

It hasn't ran in 20 years after all: You'd be hard-pressed to find any engine that didn't have some stuck rings after sitting for that long. And even if it doesn't clean up, that doesn't mean you have to jump right to a rebuild. If it's only, say, half a quart of oil every 6-8 hours of use and still starts and has all the power you need, you can buy a lot of oil for the cost of a rebuild kit (or even just a ring set). Might as well use it for a while, see how it cleans up, and make sure everything else is working well before immediately tearing into it.
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A couple of years ago I bought a Ford 3910 Diesel with 900ish hours at an estate sale. On my test prior to agreeing to buy it, I had more than I wanted to see, blue smoke. I felt that with the circumstances of the sale, and such low hours, the engine was just clogged up. I did what I posted and it cleaned right up.
Last year I bought a Ford 3600 Diesel that had signs of lots of use and other areas that must have been rebuilt over its life. It must have had a lot of engine hours I thought as it blue smoked in my testing. I bought it anyway and did what I said about engine cleanup. Sure enough, same thing happened. Engine cleaned up and doesn't smoke even on startup after sitting for a week or so.
 
If you spent much time on the older pony-start CAT stuff, you got educated about "wet stacking". Let it idle too much, and everything in the area got black polka dots. Old timers would shake their heads and say PUT IT TO WORK
 
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