Oliver 1750 tractor

[trackrat]

I would not try anything other than 80w90w oil that is what Oliver required when these tractors were made

 

[Kell]

I would not try anything other than 80w90w oil that is what Oliver required when these tractors were made

 

[J.Wondergem]

I wouldn't try over filling something that was made for a certion filling , unless that company said to. I sure didn't design it.

 

[Kell]

I wouldn't try over filling something that was made for a certion filling , unless that company said to. I sure didn't design it.

on this tractor, the final drive overfills with 10W, or hytran oil, anytime the hydraulic pump seals leak or that pressed steel pan floor of the hydraulic reservoir has a hole in it.
have never heard of or seen damage to the final as a consequence of it being overfilled with hydraulic oil.

been overfilling Wauk 310s by a half gallon for decades, just make sure you stop short of filling so far that the oil foams when the engine is run.

 

[J.Wondergem]

on this tractor, the final drive overfills with 10W, or hytran oil, anytime the hydraulic pump seals leak or that pressed steel pan floor of the hydraulic reservoir has a hole in it.
have never heard of or seen damage to the final as a consequence of it being overfilled with hydraulic oil.

been overfilling Wauk 310s by a half gallon for decades, just make sure you stop short of filling so far that the oil foams when the engine is run.

Well it's your tractor, do as you want.

 

[oliverkid]

on this tractor, the final drive overfills with 10W, or hytran oil, anytime the hydraulic pump seals leak or that pressed steel pan floor of the hydraulic reservoir has a hole in it.
have never heard of or seen damage to the final as a consequence of it being overfilled with hydraulic oil.

been overfilling Wauk 310s by a half gallon for decades, just make sure you stop short of filling so far that the oil foams when the engine is run.

You’ve never seen a problem because normally when a hydraulic pump seal goes out, or the pan gets a hole in it, the problem has to get fixed because you loose hydraulic function in short order and you don’t just keep running the tractor and filling it with oil. Not to mention if you fill it to 90% like you suggest, you will have oil leaking out of every seal in the rear end in relatively short order because they weren’t specked out to seal a flooded gear case, they were specked out to seal runoff oil. Not to mention what it could do to the pto clutch to be in a flooded environment because they aren’t meant to be submerged in oil, they were just supposed to get lubrication from the trans lube circuit plus whatever the bull gears splash on them. Even the tractors of the era that ran a common sump gear case and hydraulic system didn’t fill above the axles and they don’t even to this day. But sounds like you’re an engineer so you probably know better than the guys who built the thing to begin with.

As for overfilling 310’s. Well that’s been a known practice almost since like the late 70s and a lot of guys including myself do that so it doesn’t make you special. But an engine oil pan that is full of nothing but oil and a pick up tube for the pump is hardly comparable to a transmission gear case that’s full of shafts and gears churning in the oil. For one the wrong fluid level and fluid grade for prolonged periods of time can cause cavitation which can lead to all sorts of problems. Secondly an overfull oil level means more drag in the driveline. More drag means more friction. More friction means more heat and the entire gear case is going to run hotter which again can lead to all sorts of problems. There’s fill levels on gearboxes for a reason. But like I said, it sounds like you’re an engineer so you probably know all this.

 

[trackrat]

I wouldn't try over filling something that was made for a certion filling , unless that company said to. I sure didn't design it.

on some of the tractors they added a fitting to raise the oil level in the rearend because they were having problems with them I just don't remember which models maybe someone else will remember, I believe a 45-degree fitting in the check plug on the side of the hsg.

 

[Kell]

You’ve never seen a problem because normally when a hydraulic pump seal goes out, or the pan gets a hole in it, the problem has to get fixed because you loose hydraulic function in short order and you don’t just keep running the tractor and filling it with oil. Not to mention if you fill it to 90% like you suggest, you will have oil leaking out of every seal in the rear end in relatively short order because they weren’t specked out to seal a flooded gear case, they were specked out to seal runoff oil. Not to mention what it could do to the pto clutch to be in a flooded environment because they aren’t meant to be submerged in oil, they were just supposed to get lubrication from the trans lube circuit plus whatever the bull gears splash on them. Even the tractors of the era that ran a common sump gear case and hydraulic system didn’t fill above the axles and they don’t even to this day. But sounds like you’re an engineer so you probably know better than the guys who built the thing to begin with.

As for overfilling 310’s. Well that’s been a known practice almost since like the late 70s and a lot of guys including myself do that so it doesn’t make you special. But an engine oil pan that is full of nothing but oil and a pick up tube for the pump is hardly comparable to a transmission gear case that’s full of shafts and gears churning in the oil. For one the wrong fluid level and fluid grade for prolonged periods of time can cause cavitation which can lead to all sorts of problems. Secondly an overfull oil level means more drag in the driveline. More drag means more friction. More friction means more heat and the entire gear case is going to run hotter which again can lead to all sorts of problems. There’s fill levels on gearboxes for a reason. But like I said, it sounds like you’re an engineer so you probably know all this.

lol. thanks for the big baseless disagreeable write-up.
and just so you know, i'm fine with not being "special" on an Internet forum, but i guess you're not. so congrats, you're special!

 

[trackrat]

lol. thanks for the big baseless disagreeable write-up.
and just so you know, i'm fine with not being "special" on an Internet forum, but i guess you're not. so congrats, you're special!

but whos Ed

 

[oliverkid]

lol. thanks for the big baseless disagreeable write-up.
and just so you know, i'm fine with not being "special" on an Internet forum, but i guess you're not. so congrats, you're special!

If you can state what’s baseless and substantiate it with evidence other than “that’s how I do it” be my guest.

 

[rrlund]

on some of the tractors they added a fitting to raise the oil level in the rearend because they were having problems with them I just don't remember which models maybe someone else will remember, I believe a 45-degree fitting in the check plug on the side of the hsg.

1550.

 

[Kell]

If you can state what’s baseless and substantiate it with evidence other than “that’s how I do it” be my guest.

nah, your ego got in the way.
i don't care to argue with that any further; a reasoned response would be a further waste of time.

 

[oliverkid]

nah, your ego got in the way.
i don't care to argue with that any further; a reasoned response would be a further waste of time.

From your responses to the guys on your question regarding casting numbers. It’s pretty clear who has the ego issue, and when your replies resort to name calling as seen above that’s a good sign you don’t have a leg to stand on. 150+ years of transmission and gearbox designs don’t change because you think otherwise.

 

[Kell]

From your responses to the guys on your question regarding casting numbers. It’s pretty clear who has the ego issue, and when your replies resort to name calling as seen above that’s a good sign you don’t have a leg to stand on. 150+ years of transmission and gearbox designs don’t change because you think otherwise.

don't care. just move along & have a good night.

 

[oliverkid]

don't care. just move along & have a good night.

You better start caring before you start tearing up equipment for no reason. I’m just going to leave these here so you can educate yourself on the subject. There’s also online courses you can enroll in to learn all about gearbox maintenance, lubricant selection and application. I’ve had to sit through them for maintenance trainings at work. The Chevron article is by far the best in this group.

How Important is Oil Level Control in Optimizing Bearing, Gear and Engine Reliability?

Often times in machinery lubrication, we preach precision lubrication. What exactly does that mean? Regarding the act of lubricating, it means utilizing meticulous calculations to determine...

www.machinerylubrication.com

What Happens If You Overfill Your Transmission Fluid | TANHON

Overfilling transmission fluid causes foaming, pressure, and damage. Symptoms include leaks, overheating, and shifting issues. Fix by draining excess.

tanhon.com

Overfilling Hydraulic Fluid Can Cause Issues, Too

High fluid levels can disrupt flow, cause messy leakages, smoke, or fires and otherwise stop the action needed to transfer energy through a hydraulic system

www.hydparts.com

Gearbox Lubrication: Modes of failure and their prevention

Gearbox lubrication: prevent failure and extend equipment life with oil analysis and the right lubricant. Learn more in this article.

jax.com

Air in Oil Contamination: Causes, Effects, and Solutions

Learn about the causes, effects, and solutions for air contamination in oil, a common issue that can lead to equipment failure.

precisionlubrication.com

Controlling Foam in Industrial Gearboxes | Chevron Lubricants (US)

www.chevronlubricants.com

 

[trackrat]

The draft control rod goes thru the bottom pan on the hyd system the seal on this rod will also wear and leak hyd oil into the rear end