New Cummins Tractors - Wonder how Legit' this actually is?

[DanielW]

This popped up in my browser. I first assumed it was some AI-generated nonsense. But there seems to be a few articles about this company from several more reputable sites & papers, so it's looking like it might be legitimate. Rather intriguing. If true, this company is tooling up to make new tractors with Cummins engines and minimal electronics. Their intent is to provide affordable, serviceable, and reliable no-nonsense tractors.

All sounds too good to be true, so I won't get my hopes up. But certainly worth keeping an eye on:

Ursa Ag

Back to Basics. Built to Last

ursa-ag.com

 

[Ray,IN]

I doubt it's AI generated, unless tractorhouse.com is also AI generated. https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/for-sale/ursa-ag/farm-equipment
Wouldn't be the first farm tractor with a Cummins engine. https://www.versatile-ag.com/NA/pages/product_mfwd.php

Years ago a Dodge CTD dealer gave me this sticker,

 

[ss55]

This popped up in my browser. I first assumed it was some AI-generated nonsense. But there seems to be a few articles about this company from several more reputable sites & papers, so it's looking like it might be legitimate. Rather intriguing. If true, this company is tooling up to make new tractors with Cummins engines and minimal electronics. Their intent is to provide affordable, serviceable, and reliable no-nonsense tractors.

All sounds too good to be true, so I won't get my hopes up. But certainly worth keeping an eye on:

Ursa Ag

Back to Basics. Built to Last

ursa-ag.com

Interesting approach. The company's owner says they are using re-manufactured engines from the 1990s in their tractors. He did not say if the rest of the tractor is all new or if some other components are also used or re-manufactured, but they do use readily available common off the shelf components. Sounds a lot like the manufacturing method used on the early articulated 4WD tractors of 50-60 years ago, or the new chassis that are available for semi trucks ( caller rollers or builders ?). Are the tractors sold as brand new or just sold as used equipment to get around emissions requirements?

New Tractor With 12-Valve Cummins and Zero Electronics Goes Back to the Basics

Ursa Ag, out of Canada, is building farm equipment that's both affordable and serviceable by independent shops.

www.thedrive.com

 

[DanielW]

...Wouldn't be the first farm tractor with a Cummins engine...

Very true. I've been hankering for one of the early 90's Agco or White tractors with the 6BT for years. Not very common around here, and they always go for nearly twice as much as equivalent HP models from other brands. Probably for all the same reasons those Ursa tractors are intriguing: Those early 90's units were the last before excessive computer controls. All the modern bells/whistles/features you need, and none you don't.

 

[ss55]

Interesting approach. The company's owner says they are using re-manufactured engines from the 1990s in their tractors. He did not say if the rest of the tractor is all new or if some other components are also used or re-manufactured, but they do use readily available common off the shelf components. Sounds a lot like the manufacturing method used on the early articulated 4WD tractors of 50-60 years ago, or the new chassis that are available for semi trucks ( caller rollers or builders ?). Are the tractors sold as brand new or just sold as used equipment to get around emissions requirements?

New Tractor With 12-Valve Cummins and Zero Electronics Goes Back to the Basics

Ursa Ag, out of Canada, is building farm equipment that's both affordable and serviceable by independent shops.

www.thedrive.com

Gliders.

 

[Ray,IN]

I saw that Cummins engine is the 8.3 ISC derated to 260HP. It is reliably capable of 350HP. My motorhome has that ISC @ 350HP. Later HP versions were up to 400HP.

 

[ss55]

I doubt it's AI generated, unless tractorhouse.com is also AI generated. https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/for-sale/ursa-ag/farm-equipment
Wouldn't be the first farm tractor with a Cummins engine. https://www.versatile-ag.com/NA/pages/product_mfwd.php

Years ago a Dodge CTD dealer gave me this sticker,

The Cummins 5.9 liter B-series engine was actually designed and manufactured under a joint effort between J. I. Case and Cummins called Consolidated Diesel Company ( CDC ).

J

Thread 'rant, its not a cummins engine !'

Feb 21, 2013

just tired of tring to convence people and dealers, thats its a CDC or CDC-CASE engine in case equipment. we case people know the real story, but nobody else does. i love to ask a jd guy with an older dodge ram if he knows that his engine is half CASE, pisses them off and they think i'm crazy (which i am) just wanted to let off some CASE steam! and by the way my name is jay gyger from lebanon, indiana use to be on this site few years a go.

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[paul]

Big Bud is trying to ramp up some production also again, they will have some modern stuff but more off the shelf, not the closed stuff the major manufacturers are doing now.

Will be interesting to see the future.

The oroblem with a company like this: I love the idea and simplicity, but I would look to a simple tough tractor to last decades, I’m not sure the company will last that long, where do I got parts and such down the road. If the bought up some nice casting line from a 1990s tractor line and remanufatured something with parts out there already, might be an easier sell. I’d feel I could find a supply of parts for it 20 years from now….

Paul

 

[DanielW]

Big Bud is trying to ramp up some production also again, they will have some modern stuff but more off the shelf, not the closed stuff the major manufacturers are doing now.

Will be interesting to see the future.

The oroblem with a company like this: I love the idea and simplicity, but I would look to a simple tough tractor to last decades, I’m not sure the company will last that long, where do I got parts and such down the road. If the bought up some nice casting line from a 1990s tractor line and remanufatured something with parts out there already, might be an easier sell. I’d feel I could find a supply of parts for it 20 years from now….

Paul

Those were my first thoughts as well. Mind you, with no computer and a Cummins engine, you'd know you could always get engine parts, and any electrical gubbinry would be pretty bog-standard and readily available. That leaves drivetrain components. From the owner's description, they sound like the kind of designers you'd trust to drivetrain components simple and over-built. But obviously that's just a guess, and anything can happen with a new design.

 

[oliverkid]

They are just assembling components from China, India, and possibly Italy into a tractor. The rear ends are supposedly McCormicks which is why I say possibly Italy. Depends on if they are coming from the Italian plant or the Indian plant if they are actually from McCormick. Regardless, unless they plan on bringing more of the components in house if they actually break into the market, not enough components on it to actually seriously call it a Canadian built tractor. As sparse as the website is and the fact that they use terminology like “4 wheel assist” instead of front wheel assist leads me to believe it was translated from or made by a non native English speaking individual.

 

[m16ty]

Interesting approach. The company's owner says they are using re-manufactured engines from the 1990s in their tractors. He did not say if the rest of the tractor is all new or if some other components are also used or re-manufactured, but they do use readily available common off the shelf components. Sounds a lot like the manufacturing method used on the early articulated 4WD tractors of 50-60 years ago, or the new chassis that are available for semi trucks ( caller rollers or builders ?). Are the tractors sold as brand new or just sold as used equipment to get around emissions requirements?

New Tractor With 12-Valve Cummins and Zero Electronics Goes Back to the Basics

Ursa Ag, out of Canada, is building farm equipment that's both affordable and serviceable by independent shops.

www.thedrive.com

Most of the emissions regs are at least not being enforced at the moment. Of course that can change in a hurry with the political climate.
I know you can still get new B series Cummins in overseas markets.

 

[4520BW]

Very true. I've been hankering for one of the early 90's Agco or White tractors with the 6BT for years. Not very common around here, and they always go for nearly twice as much as equivalent HP models from other brands. Probably for all the same reasons those Ursa tractors are intriguing: Those early 90's units were the last before excessive computer controls. All the modern bells/whistles/features you need, and none you don't.

I doubt it's AI generated, unless tractorhouse.com is also AI generated. https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/for-sale/ursa-ag/farm-equipment
Wouldn't be the first farm tractor with a Cummins engine. https://www.versatile-ag.com/NA/pages/product_mfwd.php

Years ago a Dodge CTD dealer gave me this sticker,

First tractor with a Cummins was a Case L with an H series engine.

 

[Ericp351]

I saw that Cummins engine is the 8.3 ISC derated to 260HP. It is reliably capable of 350HP. My motorhome has that ISC @ 350HP. Later HP versions were up to 400HP.

The 8.3, turbo, C is pretty good. Have one in my 6 x6. OK at 40,000 # gross. Runs cool and easy to turn up pump. The little B,s are more of a hobby or 3-4 ton pick up thingy. Reasonably well made if you avoid the Brazil castings.

 

[Ray,IN]

The 8.3, turbo, C is pretty good. Have one in my 6 x6. OK at 40,000 # gross. Runs cool and easy to turn up pump. The little B,s are more of a hobby or 3-4 ton pick up thingy. Reasonably well made if you avoid the Brazil castings.

Ya, the C was before the electronic phase began. I have the ISC, it has some problems in a 40' motorhome because the main pump must pull fuel for such a great distance, then through 2 fuel filters. Many have installed a FASS fuel pump/filter system to eliminate that issue.
The reason Cummins eliminated the ISC. 8.3 was due to overlap with the ISL9 engine in HP and torque. The ISL 9 is just a stroked 8.3 anyway.
The ISB is the only medium-duty engine available for light trucks, <cl4. Ford and GM are light-duty engines.

 

[Ericp351]

My fuel supply set up is fairly simple. Single 80 gal tank. Large Mill spec filter, water separator, holds about 2 qts. Mechanical lift pump, like the ones on a B Dodge, only bigger. Small thumb pump to prime. Then the Hp pump and Cummings spec spin on filter. Did you braze up a Magic Gas Cap with a Schrader fitting? Trivia. Think only needs electric, after starting, for lights and heater blower. Windshield wipers are air.

 

[Ray,IN]

No magic cap.
I'm happy to see more farm tractors using a Cummins engine; no problem with replacement parts or service. Then there's the Cummins QuickServe website that is so very useful. You sign up with your engine serial no. and the entire website it tailored to your specific engine when you sign-in.

 

[Texasmark]

I doubt it's AI generated, unless tractorhouse.com is also AI generated. https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/for-sale/ursa-ag/farm-equipment
Wouldn't be the first farm tractor with a Cummins engine. https://www.versatile-ag.com/NA/pages/product_mfwd.php

Years ago a Dodge CTD dealer gave me this sticker,

I have a 2007 Branson 6530 with a mechanical 4 cylinder, 65 HP Cummins engine.....main reason I bought it. Has Cummins official decals on the side of the engine cowling. Was built by Komatsu heavy industries in Japan under Cummins license. If you never heard of Komatsu, they are the heavy equipment you see on industrial construction sites along side Caterpillar heavies.
In 2016 I bough a 2400 Branson with a Cummins licensed 25 HP mechanical engine. Seems that down the line Kukje assumed the Cummins licensed engines for the company. Later TYM bought out Branson and rumor has it for the engine assembly line. You can verify that by checking engines in TYMs say 10 years ago vs today.

 

[ss55]

This popped up in my browser. I first assumed it was some AI-generated nonsense. But there seems to be a few articles about this company from several more reputable sites & papers, so it's looking like it might be legitimate. Rather intriguing. If true, this company is tooling up to make new tractors with Cummins engines and minimal electronics. Their intent is to provide affordable, serviceable, and reliable no-nonsense tractors.

All sounds too good to be true, so I won't get my hopes up. But certainly worth keeping an eye on:

Ursa Ag

Back to Basics. Built to Last

ursa-ag.com

Does Kinze Manufacturing still re-power tractors with different engines like they did in the 1960s? If not what was the reason they stopped - because tractor sales fell drastically during the 1980s Farm crisis?

https://www.kinze.com/

 

[Timmycornpicker]

Does Kinze Manufacturing still re-power tractors with different engines like they did in the 1960s? If not what was the reason they stopped - because tractor sales fell drastically during the 1980s Farm crisis?

https://www.kinze.com/

Maybe by the 1990s the remaining manufacturers had stopped using engines that weren't up to the task and there was no longer a need for repowers?

 

[oliverkid]

Does Kinze Manufacturing still re-power tractors with different engines like they did in the 1960s? If not what was the reason they stopped - because tractor sales fell drastically during the 1980s Farm crisis?

https://www.kinze.com/

Kinze Power Products did their last repower and shut down that division of the business in 2007.