16 year old needing advice

[jcf3110]

I am 16 year old and just bought a Ford 801 Powermaster diesel with a 12 volt conversion. When I hit the S and I post on the starter solenoid with a screwdriver it engages the starter but nothing happens when i push the ignition button. What should I be checking? I just put a new starter and a new solenoid on. Any help would be great.

 

[a49deere]

sounds like you have no voltage coming from ignition switch (starter button) to solenoid. Check that you have voltage at starter button, then through button when you push it and then follow wire from button to solenoid. check for voltage at solenoid Not familiar with this model, does it have a neutral safety switch? If so, they have a tendency to go bad!

 

[jcf3110]

sounds like you have no voltage coming from ignition switch (starter button) to solenoid. Check that you have voltage at starter button, then through button when you push it and then follow wire from button to solenoid. check for voltage at solenoid Not familiar with this model, does it have a neutral safety switch? If so, they have a tendency to go bad!

Thank you for the reply! It will be a couple days until I can work on it again but I will let you know how it goes.

 

[a49deere]

Think of your solenoid as a switch. This switch uses 12volts from your Battery through starter switch (low amperage) to "close" contacts that allow high Amperage to flow through to starter. It's quite a simple system. there may be some safety mechanisms between the battery and solenoid that will cause a no voltage issue at solenoid when you push starter button.

 

[MeanGene1]

Any chance you used a car/ truck solenoid instead of one for a tractor? They do not function the same and are wired differently

 

[KCTractors]

I am 16 year old and just bought a Ford 801 Powermaster diesel with a 12 volt conversion. When I hit the S and I post on the starter solenoid with a screwdriver it engages the starter but nothing happens when i push the ignition button. What should I be checking? I just put a new starter and a new solenoid on. Any help would be great.

You have the wrong solenoid. All the starter button does is ground out the solenoid. Take a jumper wire from the "S" terminal on the solenoid to a good ground on the tractor, that should activate the starter. If it doesn't you have the wrong solenoid.
I believe is like three different solenoids for Ford tractors. The solenoids for the Ford 01 series had two small terminals because you had to have the ignition switch on to activate the solenoid but you still needed to ground out solenoid with the starter button.

 

[da.bees]

sounds like you have no voltage coming from ignition switch (starter button) to solenoid. Check that you have voltage at starter button, then through button when you push it and then follow wire from button to solenoid. check for voltage at solenoid Not familiar with this model, does it have a neutral safety switch? If so, they have a tendency to go bad!

Based on everything you've said.that is abundantly clear. Maybe you should set this one out so as to not further confuse the young feller.

Any chance you used a car/ truck solenoid instead of one for a tractor? They do not function the same and are wired differently

Great question that could help the kid understand and get his tractor going.

You have the wrong solenoid. All the starter button does is ground out the solenoid. Take a jumper wire from the "S" terminal on the solenoid to a good ground on the tractor, that should activate the starter. If it doesn't you have the wrong solenoid.
I believe is like three different solenoids for Ford tractors. The solenoids for the Ford 01 series had two small terminals because you had to have the ignition switch on to activate the solenoid but you still needed to ground out solenoid with the starter button.

That's exactly how she works. Read everything KCTractors wrote and ask him to clearify anything you aren't clear on.

Welcome to you and your old 801. After getting this little hiccup worked out, stick around and tell us about yourself. We could use some young blood to help us with new fangled putter stuff.

 

[showcrop]

Some of the posts make it look like the fact that it is a diesel was missed. The diesel was not converted to 12 V it came from the factory as 12 V. Sometimes the "preheat" button gets mistaken for the start button. Preheat on the left, start on the right.

 

[KCTractors]

Yes, I did miss that. What transmission does he have in it will make difference of how it would be wired.

 

[MeanGene1]

The solenoids for the Ford 01 series had two small terminals because you had to have the ignition switch on to activate the solenoid but you still needed to ground out solenoid with the starter button.

I have an 850, but have never had an 01 series- does this mean that the 01 series uses the car n truck type solenoid that grounds to the frame? When I converted my 8N and 850 to 12V, I also changed them to the car type solenoid, Mopar ballast resistor and key-start, makes for a very simple and reliable system, and since I have way too many Ford cars and trucks, allows me to keep one spare solenoid and ballast resistor that work on all my junk and are available everywhere. Of course I got angrily sandpapered by the correct police, but it works for me. BTW, when doing the changeovers, I kept all the original stuff in a box for each tractor, "just in case"

 

[showcrop]

Based on everything you've said.that is abundantly clear. Maybe you should set this one out so as to not further confuse the young feller.

Great question that could help the kid understand and get his tractor going.

That's exactly how she works. Read everything KCTractors wrote and ask him to clearify anything you aren't clear on.

Welcome to you and your old 801. After getting this little hiccup worked out, stick around and tell us about yourself. We could use some young blood to help us with new fangled putter stuff.

He has most likely already moved on to some place where he could maybe get correct answers,.

 

[da.bees]

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[Rbellucci]

I am 16 year old and just bought a Ford 801 Powermaster diesel with a 12 volt conversion. When I hit the S and I post on the starter solenoid with a screwdriver it engages the starter but nothing happens when i push the ignition button. What should I be checking? I just put a new starter and a new solenoid on. Any help would be great.

Since the starter engages when you jump the solenoid, the problem is likely in the low-voltage side of the circuit. Check your neutral safety switch and the wiring going to the ignition button itself. It sounds like the signal just isn't reaching the solenoid.

 

[Jim.ME]

2jcf3110 posted, "I am 16 year old and just bought a Ford 801 Powermaster diesel with a 12 volt conversion. When I hit the S and I post on the starter solenoid with a screwdriver it engages the starter but nothing happens when i push the ignition button. What should I be checking? I just put a new starter and a new solenoid on. Any help would be great."

Are you still using the safety switch by the shift lever to energize the solenoid?

If yes, unhook the wire from the S terminal of the solenoid. When the start button is pushed does that wire show continuity with ground?

A number of solenoids look alike but are internally wired differently. The steps below will give us an idea of which type solenoid you have. Can you post the brand and part number of the solenoid.

1. Unhook all the wires from the solenoid.
2. With a continuity tester/ohmmeter check for continuity between the S terminal and the mounting base of the solenoid. Report results.
3. With a continuity tester/ohmmeter check for continuity between the S terminal and the I terminal. Report results.
4. With a continuity tester/ohmmeter check for continuity between the S terminal and the large battery cable post closest to it. Report results.
5. With a continuity tester/ohmmeter check for continuity between the S terminal and the large battery cable post further from it. Report results.

 

[ss55]

I am 16 year old and just bought a Ford 801 Powermaster diesel with a 12 volt conversion. When I hit the S and I post on the starter solenoid with a screwdriver it engages the starter but nothing happens when i push the ignition button. What should I be checking? I just put a new starter and a new solenoid on. Any help would be great.

An inexpensive ( $10 ) VOM ( Volt Ohm Meter ) comes in handy when debugging electrical system problems. You might have learned to used one in a science class or in a shop class.

 

[showcrop]

2jcf3110 posted, "I am 16 year old and just bought a Ford 801 Powermaster diesel with a 12 volt conversion. When I hit the S and I post on the starter solenoid with a screwdriver it engages the starter but nothing happens when i push the ignition button. What should I be checking? I just put a new starter and a new solenoid on. Any help would be great."

Are you still using the safety switch by the shift lever to energize the solenoid?

If yes, unhook the wire from the S terminal of the solenoid. When the start button is pushed does that wire show continuity with ground?

A number of solenoids look alike but are internally wired differently. The steps below will give us an idea of which type solenoid you have. Can you post the brand and part number of the solenoid.

1. Unhook all the wires from the solenoid.
2. With a continuity tester/ohmmeter check for continuity between the S terminal and the mounting base of the solenoid. Report results.
3. With a continuity tester/ohmmeter check for continuity between the S terminal and the I terminal. Report results.
4. With a continuity tester/ohmmeter check for continuity between the S terminal and the large battery cable post closest to it. Report results.
5. With a continuity tester/ohmmeter check for continuity between the S terminal and the large battery cable post further from it. Report results.

How could he "still use the button by the shifter" when is 801 never had one???

 

[Jim.ME]

How could he "still use the button by the shifter" when is 801 never had one???

Really? The parts book shows they had them and a number of pictures on the web show the safety start button.

 

[da.bees]

And away we go again.

 

[showcrop]

Really? The parts book shows they had them and a number of pictures on the web show the safety start button.

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My bad, I was thinking SOS, when while it may be, it has not yet been established that I can see which transmission it has. So I am now among the long and growing list guilty of providing wrong info to this poor 16 year old on this thread.

 

[a49deere]

My bad, I was thinking SOS, when while it may be, it has not yet been established that I can see which transmission it has. So I am now among the long and growing list guilty of providing wrong info to this poor 16 year old on this thread.

Well, if we weren't wrong every once in a while, we'd be one of them! the perfect