16 year old needing advice

[jcf3110]

I am 16 year old and just bought a Ford 801 Powermaster diesel with a 12 volt conversion. When I hit the S and I post on the starter solenoid with a screwdriver it engages the starter but nothing happens when i push the ignition button. What should I be checking? I just put a new starter and a new solenoid on. Any help would be great.

 

[KCTractors]

How could he "still use the button by the shifter" when is 801 never had one???

Any Ford with a Select-O-Speed transmission had a starter button on the right side and under the hood. There was a safety switch inside of the transmission. It had to be in park to start.

 

[da.bees]

My bad, I was thinking SOS, when while it may be, it has not yet been established that I can see which transmission it has. So I am now among the long and growing list guilty of providing wrong info to this poor 16 year old on this thread.

Look at it this way. If it's true we learn by our mistakes, one of these days this should be one smart bunch.

 

[Ray,IN]

Ford 801 gear shift must be in neutral before the starter button activates. (assuming it's not been modified)
jcf, go to this website to download the owners manual for your Ford 801 tractor, BUT delete the blank space in the web address to make it valid. https://www.n tractorclub.com/forums/manuals/manuals.htm#tractors
You'll see the owners manual for the gas and diesel versions.
jcf was here at 3:37 today, you guys kidding scared him away I guess.

 

[showcrop]

Ford 801 gear shift must be in neutral before the starter button activates. (assuming it's not been modified)
jcf, go to this website to download the owners manual for your Ford 801 tractor, BUT delete the blank space in the web address to make it valid. https://www.n tractorclub.com/forums/manuals/manuals.htm#tractors
You'll see the owners manual for the gas and diesel versions.
jcf was here at 3:37 today, you guys kidding scared him away I guess.

It looks like you arte still missing the fact that it is undetermined which transmission he has.

 

[Ray,IN]

It looks like you arte still missing the fact that it is undetermined which transmission he has.

Just trying to help the young man. The owners manual states, for the 4-speed transmission, and slect-o-speed transmission, gas or diesel:

Ford 801D owners manual and Ford 801 owners manual both state the same safety feature.

 

[jcf3110]

Ford 801 gear shift must be in neutral before the starter button activates. (assuming it's not been modified)
jcf, go to this website to download the owners manual for your Ford 801 tractor, BUT delete the blank space in the web address to make it valid. https://www.n tractorclub.com/forums/manuals/manuals.htm#tractors
You'll see the owners manual for the gas and diesel versions.
jcf was here at 3:37 today, you guys kidding scared him away I guess.

Im out of town this weekend and dont have the chance to work on it

 

[jcf3110]

Any chance you used a car/ truck solenoid instead of one for a tractor? They do not function the same and are wired differently

I thought soelinoids was a interchangeable part. Its possible though. This is the new one I used

 

[jcf3110]

Yes, I did miss that. What transmission does he have in it will make difference of how it would be wired.

It isa 4 speed

 

[Ray,IN]

HOW ABOUT SELECT-O-SPEED??????? I know the difference, do you??? Does jcf3110???? If you are serious about helping him it looks like you need to step up your game a little!!!!!!!

You were saying__.

jfc, 99% of 12V solenoids are interchangeable/generic. For instance I put 2, 12V solenoids in my motorhome that were advertised to fit a dump trailer hoist.

 

[Jim.ME]

I thought soelinoids was a interchangeable part. Its possible though. This is the new one I used

From just the looks I am going to say it is the wrong solenoid. Many look alike externally but the internal wiring is different so they will not interchange.,

Your 801 with the safety start button needs a solenoid with an insulated (isolated) base. The coil inside the solenoid needs power all the time, either via an internal connection to the battery positive post or via the I terminal. The S terminal will receive the wire from the start button. When the button is pushed it completes the circuit by providing the ground for the coil inside the solenoid.

By the parts book for the 801 you need a Ford/New Holland relay (solenoid) part number 311006. That crosses to a Standard motor Products SS 580. Your local parts store should be able to cross reference either of those numbers. Looks alone will not work.

Edited to correct spelling

 

[kencombs]

Look at it this way. If it's true we learn by our mistakes, one of these days this should be one smart bunch.

I know for a fact that that isn't true. I'm 83 and should be a genius due to the average mistakes per year I've made. And, I can assure you that I'm no genius.

 

[da.bees]

I know for a fact that that isn't true. I'm 83 and should be a genius due to the average mistakes per year I've made. And, I can assure you that I'm no genius.

You must give it time. Sam once sold Wily a smart pill for a nickel. Following day Wily claimed he didn't feel any smarter and Sam said depending on how dumb one is to start with it can require more pills. Wily bought another and this went on for several days. One day Wily said " the more pills I take, the more they taste like rabbit turds". Bingo exclaimed Sam, "you are getting smart already".

 

[GermantownGreen]

It isa 4 speed

Slow down and get some books for this model.
Parts book
Service book
Good luck. GG

 

[jcf3110]

Update: we installed a new starter and new solenoid we rewired it exactly like it was before when it was working. We have 12V from on off switch to the “I” terminal. we disconnected neutral safety switch/push button from the S terminal and went straight from battery ground to the “S” terminal but nothing happens. If we jump from the I to the S terminal the starter engages. This should eliminate any push button or safety switch from the puzzle. Any ideas? Please dont give up on me! Im limited on the time i can work on it but i appreciate the suggestions.

 

[Jim.ME]

Update: we installed a new starter and new solenoid we rewired it exactly like it was before when it was working. We have 12V from on off switch to the “I” terminal. we disconnected neutral safety switch/push button from the S terminal and went straight from battery ground to the “S” terminal but nothing happens. If we jump from the I to the S terminal the starter engages. This should eliminate any push button or safety switch from the puzzle. Any ideas? Please dont give up on me! Im limited on the time i can work on it but i appreciate the suggestions.

What is the part number of the solenoid you got? It again sounds like a wrong one.

I gave you steps to check the solenoid out to see if it is correct in post #14. Test the solenoid as described.

 

[jcf3110]

What is the part number of the solenoid you got? It again sounds like a wrong one.

I gave you steps to check the solenoid out to see if it is correct in post #14. Test the solenoid as described.

These are the 2 new solenoids that I got for it. I see the part number you gave me before is different. We will troubleshoot again tomorrow using your suggestions in post #14. Also, in your diagram that you sent, what is #6? My tractor doesn’t seem to have it.

 

[Jim.ME]

These are the 2 new solenoids that I got for it. I see the part number you gave me before is different. We will troubleshoot again tomorrow using your suggestions in post #14. Also, in your diagram that you sent, what is #6? My tractor doesn’t seem to have it.

Both of those solenoids are wrong for your tractor, they ground through the base according to the info sheets on the SMP site. You need the SMP SS580, the Ford/New Holland 311006, or one that cross references to one or both those numbers. Test them and you will find the S terminal has continuity to the solenoid's metal mounting base. You need a solenoid that does not have continuity between the S terminal and the base.

Without going back and checking the parts book, from the location and looks of it, I believe #6 is just a clip to hold the wire in place so it is not just flopping around at the middle of its run.

 

[da.bees]

And this brings us back where it started.

 

[jcf3110]

Hello, I was able to get it fixed. I ended up having the wrong soelinoid like a lot of yall said. Thank you to everyone who replied.

 

[Not db4600]

These are the 2 new solenoids that I got for it. I see the part number you gave me before is different. We will troubleshoot again tomorrow using your suggestions in post #14. Also, in your diagram that you sent, what is #6? My tractor doesn’t seem to have it.

A #6 varies by locale.
In Rock Ridge it’s a woppin’ and a whoppin’ followed by a dance afterwards.